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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:28 pm 
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Well the plans have arrived and it's time to start building. I can officially say that I am not a fan of these "full size" patterns but here goes nothing. I've built some furniture out of wood before and its been alright but this is the first boat I am trying. Unfortunately, these transfer to the board directions made no sense to me until I saw the carbon paper online. Wow, really? Shouldn't that have come with the plans? Anyhow, I ended up using a pounce wheel to transfer it over, cutting each piece about 1/4" outside the lines just to make sure the end result will be perfect because the lines were not. I figure sanding them down will be more accurate once im ready to piece it together. So far, I would say im rather frustrated with this endeavor but I am determined to complete this. Has anyone else felt this way? Well im heading back to the garage to try and cut some more of it. My moods a little poor but i'll keep you posted, maybe it'll get better :)


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:36 pm 
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Rustedwho.

Furniture is about "straight lines"... boat building is about "fair curves".

All boat builders have experienced "challenge", and occasionally "frustration". At more than one point, I contemplated a "$2000 bonfire". But trust me.... It will get better. And ultimately, those feelings will turn to "confidence", "satisfaction", and "pride".

Just take your time. Read the instructions. And ask here if you have any questions. We will do our best to help you.

If the pieces you cut don't fit perfectly, you can always fill in the gaps with a little epoxy and filler. Don't sweat it.

Glen-L boatbuilding is not exactly "fit tab A into slot X". But if you take your time, and read and re-read the instructions, it will all become clear.

Hang in there.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:21 pm 
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Bruce Dow wrote:

Just take your time. Read the instructions. And ask here if you have any questions. We will do our best to help you.

If the pieces you cut don't fit perfectly, you can always fill in the gaps with a little epoxy and filler. Don't sweat it.

Glen-L boatbuilding is not exactly "fit tab A into slot X". But if you take your time, and read and re-read the instructions, it will all become clear.

Hang in there.

Well said, Bruce :D

Rustedwho,

You are taking the right approach. Cut over size and sand down. If you have pieces that are the same (your sides) clamp them together and then sand. But, first forget about making the perfect cut, finish, etc. there is no such thing. I promise you this, you will produce a work of art, your work of art. So trace those patterns, make those cuts and get to stiching.
I take it that the KidYak is not for you so let me show you what is perfect. A little one's smile in a boat you built. :wink: :D
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:08 am 
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Rustedwho wrote:
Well the plans have arrived and it's time to start building. I can officially say that I am not a fan of these "full size" patterns but here goes nothing. I've built some furniture out of wood before and its been alright but this is the first boat I am trying. Unfortunately, these transfer to the board directions made no sense to me until I saw the carbon paper online. Wow, really? Shouldn't that have come with the plans? Anyhow, I ended up using a pounce wheel to transfer it over, cutting each piece about 1/4" outside the lines just to make sure the end result will be perfect because the lines were not. I figure sanding them down will be more accurate once im ready to piece it together. So far, I would say im rather frustrated with this endeavor but I am determined to complete this. Has anyone else felt this way? Well im heading back to the garage to try and cut some more of it. My moods a little poor but i'll keep you posted, maybe it'll get better :)

Warning, you may need to read this reply several times and will probably understand about a fourth of it until you actually finish your boat build. But here goes.
Let me begin by saying that the most common issue with people that build furniture or that have built furniture in the past is to get past the notion that everything is perfect in boats no matter how many you may end up building. Its very important to understand that boat building takes two to three times the amount of time to do absolutely nothing. A fifteen minute project does not exist and a straight line is always crooked in every single boat, even the ones that are cut straight.

This you will learn after the fact too when you go to what we call 3=D, full size in the roughed in stage. Then you begin to actually straighten up any and all shapes by actually making everything curved, yep thats right and will only have your eye as a gauge for the most part. Are you confused yet or all of this sound crazy yet? :wink:

My friend you are already ahead of many folks when you have learned to cut to what we know as the fat side of the line. Maybe not a 1/4" but standard practice is to do just that. Printed patterns are just guidlines that saves literally hundreds of hours for many new comers in bigger projects and transfers over to even the smallest project. Be mindfull that you do have less of a fudge factor in smaller builds.


But in most cases if a person is new to the game, they begin right where you are by building a small project which builds up a person's confidence and also is a learning tool to understand that not a single eight inch of a boat's part is ever a constant number.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 8:28 pm 
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Has anyone else felt this way?


absolutely :!: There are some really nice designs on here, but I despise the patterns, I'd much, much rather buy a set of plans over a set of "patterns". Paper that's been folded, humidity, etc will never be as accurate as true measurements!

Now, to those who are die hard Glen-L fans: I'm not bashing the designs here none at all, just stating my personal preference for plans instead of patterns. I've built several boats, Stitch and Glue, ply on frame, strip plank and some combinations. I currently have in my file cabinet almost 30 plans from a dozen different designers (terrible obsession really) and I'm terribly OCD and a former engineer (turned cop :roll: ) so it's an understatement that I like things precise which wrinkled patterns just don't do for me :lol: :lol:

It is possible to build a nice boat from patterns though so keep plugging away, take advantage of this great forum and good group of guys and don't give up. The best part of boat building for me is that no matter how many boats I build I always learn something new each time!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 11:42 am 
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I ironed the patterns and rolled them.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:21 am 
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How do you do that?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:35 pm 
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I placed the plans on the carpeted floor and laid a towel over them so they wouldn't get too hot and just gently ironed them. It was my wifes idea and it worked pretty good. I then rolled them up and put them in a tube.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:23 pm 
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sweet. I am going to try it once I have built the boat. Knowing my luck I will burn the plans and the house down. At least afterwards I will have the boat built. Maybe no house....but I know where my priorities are. lol


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:00 am 
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I ironed my plans to take the creases out....no problem!

just keep the iron moving like you would on fabric!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:05 am 
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Yep...my wife was surprised I even knew how to turn the iron on.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:09 am 
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Yep it's best to do this when she's either not home,or asleep!! :wink: :roll: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:42 pm 
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What's an "iron" ? :wink: :roll: :lol: They probably store that in same place as the stove and the dishwasher!
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