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Alternative Fuels

Post by kens » Sat May 03, 2008 5:43 pm

What about opening discussion on alternative fuels?
Anybody?

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Post by Caber-Feidh » Sat May 03, 2008 6:47 pm

Does having the DA paddle after something breaks count as an alternative fuel?

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Post by gregggrundon » Sat May 03, 2008 7:38 pm

Ah, you are the fuel. "Soilent Green is people"

I've got plenty of coconuts,
If you want to make me some diesel. I'll buy the rebuild kit.

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Post by Fifty Plus » Sat May 03, 2008 7:57 pm

I would rather buy a paddle than a rebuild kit....
or maybe a pair of nice long oars.

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Post by gregggrundon » Sat May 03, 2008 8:21 pm

I'm telling you Carl; I'm gonna put up that "Balanced Rig" I really think it'll work. I might have to add an external dagger board, to keep from slipping, too much. But, it should give me two- three knots.

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Post by Nova SS » Sun May 04, 2008 4:16 am

I like E85 and would use it in a heart beat if it was more avialable. I like the octane rating it has (105 octane...can you say 12.5:1 CR ratio...oh ya baby 8) ). The down side is the MPG and that once you convert your carb to e85 you'll have a hrd time running regular fuel.

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Post by John K » Sun May 04, 2008 5:18 am

The way gas prices are going, I will have to add a hand cranked paddle wheel to the flying saucer. :lol:

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Post by Caber-Feidh » Sun May 04, 2008 2:33 pm

E-85 is readily aval around here, sort of thought of giving it a try. jetting needs to be about 30% richer. What concerned me was it's hygroscopic properties, and tendency to scour the fuel system. On the other end, it runs better with a higher CR.

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Post by kens » Sun May 04, 2008 3:03 pm

IF the E85 is supposed to be a cleaner/greener fuel, then how is it greener if it takes 30% more of it to run the same car?

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Post by Fifty Plus » Sun May 04, 2008 4:41 pm

Gregg,

I guess I will have to make up a steadying sail after all. If the wind is off the stern when I am running, I may be able to back off 200 or 300 rpms. and save some diesel. I don't know if a beam wind will help enough to tell, but if I make up the sail I can play around with it and find out.

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Post by Nova SS » Sun May 04, 2008 5:35 pm

kens wrote:IF the E85 is supposed to be a cleaner/greener fuel, then how is it greener if it takes 30% more of it to run the same car?
It burns cleaner then straight gasoline does and the ethanol part of it is made from a renewable resource so that makes it both cleaner and greener then gas.

My understanding is that E85 has fewer BTU's then Gas does so for any given amount of E85 you will get less bang from it then the bang you would get from an equal amount of gas so that is why you would use roughly 30% more E85 then gas.

On the other hand E85 has 105 octane so you can REALLY boast the CR of the motor to take advantage of the octane. In an nutshell compression is in essence free HP. Basicly the more CR you can run without getting into pre-ignition/detonation etc the more HP your motor will be able to make.

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Post by kens » Sun May 04, 2008 6:25 pm

What??
Please tell me how that works.
If E85 is 85% gasoline, and 15% alcohol how is it better if it requires 30% more of it to do the same work (moving a car).
Lets say you use 100 gallons of regular gasoline.
then you switch to E85 and go the same distance , it now takes (30% more) 130gallons. 130 gallons at 85% gas is 110 gallons of FOSSIL fuel burned.
Is this not correct?

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Post by gregggrundon » Sun May 04, 2008 6:26 pm

Carl,

Every little bit helps.
Aren't you a little glad you didn't power with a monster.

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Post by leakcheck » Sun May 04, 2008 6:57 pm

Kens,

Man, this is why we probably should have let a dead dog lie !!

Problems with some of the fuels is that it takes more to produce them then they conserve...


What was the one that John Stossel (I should google his name so I get it right) looked into....something like: If every available plantable acre were planted with something that will help produce a "biofuel" we would have enough biofuel to take care of less than 10% of US total demand. (And they don't mention what would happen to prices of food as crops will not be being grown !!!)

I don't really know who is going to own the US first...China or Canada

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Post by kens » Sun May 04, 2008 7:20 pm

Something i'd like to know is; what is it the green-peacers are all worried about the 'renewable' fuels thing.
Correct me if I am wrong but does crude oil not come from the earthen ground? Is crude not produced by the earth itself? If the very earth the greenpeacers want to preserve, produces its own crude oil, then how is it that fossil fuel is NOT nenewable?

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