Alternative Fuels

Topics not covered by another category.

Moderator: Bill Edmundson

User avatar
kens
Posts: 4782
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:25 pm
Location: Coastal Georgia

Alternative Fuels

Post by kens »

What about opening discussion on alternative fuels?
Anybody?

User avatar
Caber-Feidh
Posts: 828
Joined: Mon May 07, 2007 7:50 pm
Location: Battle Point, Leech Lake... tundrasota

Post by Caber-Feidh »

Does having the DA paddle after something breaks count as an alternative fuel?

gregggrundon
Posts: 389
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:48 am
Location: Kwajalein

Post by gregggrundon »

Ah, you are the fuel. "Soilent Green is people"

I've got plenty of coconuts,
If you want to make me some diesel. I'll buy the rebuild kit.

gregg
Jolly Roger 30'(Extended)
Marshall Islands, R. M. I.

User avatar
Fifty Plus
Posts: 337
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:45 pm
Location: Thumbpit,Michigan

Post by Fifty Plus »

I would rather buy a paddle than a rebuild kit....
or maybe a pair of nice long oars.

Carl

gregggrundon
Posts: 389
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:48 am
Location: Kwajalein

Post by gregggrundon »

I'm telling you Carl; I'm gonna put up that "Balanced Rig" I really think it'll work. I might have to add an external dagger board, to keep from slipping, too much. But, it should give me two- three knots.

Gregg

then, there's Coconuts!
Jolly Roger 30'(Extended)
Marshall Islands, R. M. I.

Nova SS
Posts: 2434
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:42 pm
Location: Stirling, ON

Post by Nova SS »

I like E85 and would use it in a heart beat if it was more avialable. I like the octane rating it has (105 octane...can you say 12.5:1 CR ratio...oh ya baby 8) ). The down side is the MPG and that once you convert your carb to e85 you'll have a hrd time running regular fuel.

John K
Posts: 1560
Joined: Thu May 18, 2006 5:19 am
Location: AL

Post by John K »

The way gas prices are going, I will have to add a hand cranked paddle wheel to the flying saucer. :lol:

User avatar
Caber-Feidh
Posts: 828
Joined: Mon May 07, 2007 7:50 pm
Location: Battle Point, Leech Lake... tundrasota

Post by Caber-Feidh »

E-85 is readily aval around here, sort of thought of giving it a try. jetting needs to be about 30% richer. What concerned me was it's hygroscopic properties, and tendency to scour the fuel system. On the other end, it runs better with a higher CR.

User avatar
kens
Posts: 4782
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:25 pm
Location: Coastal Georgia

Post by kens »

IF the E85 is supposed to be a cleaner/greener fuel, then how is it greener if it takes 30% more of it to run the same car?

User avatar
Fifty Plus
Posts: 337
Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:45 pm
Location: Thumbpit,Michigan

Post by Fifty Plus »

Gregg,

I guess I will have to make up a steadying sail after all. If the wind is off the stern when I am running, I may be able to back off 200 or 300 rpms. and save some diesel. I don't know if a beam wind will help enough to tell, but if I make up the sail I can play around with it and find out.

Carl

Nova SS
Posts: 2434
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:42 pm
Location: Stirling, ON

Post by Nova SS »

kens wrote:IF the E85 is supposed to be a cleaner/greener fuel, then how is it greener if it takes 30% more of it to run the same car?
It burns cleaner then straight gasoline does and the ethanol part of it is made from a renewable resource so that makes it both cleaner and greener then gas.

My understanding is that E85 has fewer BTU's then Gas does so for any given amount of E85 you will get less bang from it then the bang you would get from an equal amount of gas so that is why you would use roughly 30% more E85 then gas.

On the other hand E85 has 105 octane so you can REALLY boast the CR of the motor to take advantage of the octane. In an nutshell compression is in essence free HP. Basicly the more CR you can run without getting into pre-ignition/detonation etc the more HP your motor will be able to make.

User avatar
kens
Posts: 4782
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:25 pm
Location: Coastal Georgia

Post by kens »

What??
Please tell me how that works.
If E85 is 85% gasoline, and 15% alcohol how is it better if it requires 30% more of it to do the same work (moving a car).
Lets say you use 100 gallons of regular gasoline.
then you switch to E85 and go the same distance , it now takes (30% more) 130gallons. 130 gallons at 85% gas is 110 gallons of FOSSIL fuel burned.
Is this not correct?

gregggrundon
Posts: 389
Joined: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:48 am
Location: Kwajalein

Post by gregggrundon »

Carl,

Every little bit helps.
Aren't you a little glad you didn't power with a monster.

Gregg
Jolly Roger 30'(Extended)
Marshall Islands, R. M. I.

User avatar
leakcheck
Posts: 2950
Joined: Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:01 pm
Location: Lander Wyoming

Post by leakcheck »

Kens,

Man, this is why we probably should have let a dead dog lie !!

Problems with some of the fuels is that it takes more to produce them then they conserve...


What was the one that John Stossel (I should google his name so I get it right) looked into....something like: If every available plantable acre were planted with something that will help produce a "biofuel" we would have enough biofuel to take care of less than 10% of US total demand. (And they don't mention what would happen to prices of food as crops will not be being grown !!!)

I don't really know who is going to own the US first...China or Canada

Steve

User avatar
kens
Posts: 4782
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2003 5:25 pm
Location: Coastal Georgia

Post by kens »

Something i'd like to know is; what is it the green-peacers are all worried about the 'renewable' fuels thing.
Correct me if I am wrong but does crude oil not come from the earthen ground? Is crude not produced by the earth itself? If the very earth the greenpeacers want to preserve, produces its own crude oil, then how is it that fossil fuel is NOT nenewable?

Post Reply

Return to “Miscellaneous”