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Hi Guys, I am nearing the final stages of appling the plywood covering on the bottom of my 20' Barrelback that I am building, I am in the market for a good used nylon brad gun that shot Raptor nylon brad or pins, If you would like to deal, feel free to contact me. Thanks RayV

Sorry - but you will have to pry my epoxy laden radioactive one from my cold dead hands after building another 20 boats or so.

But I feel your pain. They are not cheap

dave

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.... and then i have first dibs on it
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Ray ive been useing one of the pin nailers and it works just fine it doesnt shoot the nylon brads but the pins it does shoot are so small you can sand right over them it doesnt hurt anything and its very hard to see them when you are done you have to really look very hard to find them.

Hey Red: You were saying that you could barely see the pins. According to the Raptor Company they say the white pins will take on stain, Question, What colour pins do you recommend to use. What I am out to do is after the bottom and sides are finished with 1/8" Mahogany, I do want to apply a lite coating of stain before I finish the entire bottom and sides with epoxy and cloth, so I am hoping to use a brown colour pin to hold the veneer in place as I finish my last wood on the bottom and sides. I really do not want to see the pins through the finish if I can get away with it. I am pretty sure that early in the new year, I will be ordering a brand new nailer and pins, I was just hoping that maybe someone has one they would like to sell.
Thankyou, Ray

I think Dave Lott had good success with the raptor nails. He brought a sample to G3 and G4 that looked pretty good. His was stained. I used the Raptor staples and they would not look good stained. I used the T-50 steel staples and pulled them out on the finish lamination. You cant tell that they were ever used and the only place I had any problem was where I was putting on the next plank and I was sloppy and got some epoxy in the holes then a couple of them showed up otherwise I was very pleased with the results. The time factor in removing the staples was not nearly as consuming as I thought it would be. The sanding takes much more time.

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Winter Haven, FL

Maybe it will be done by G6 and maybe not.

Thankyou for your reply: You have giving me hope in using the T50 staples, I did not think that they would hide enough after removal, I will surely think this through a lit longer, I do have a roll of plastic banding straps that I could shoot the staples through. I do have to agree with one guys statment, By time I get this boat done I will know how to build a boat Thanks Ray

Some suggestions that were given to me from folks on this board were to pull the staples while the epoxy was still green. Once it set up for a couple of days it was really tough to pull the staples. Another suggestion was to gently heat the staples with a heat gun or soldering iron. I used little peices of sacrifical wood to shoot the staples thru into the finial lamination. I know that some have had good success with the plastic straping tape also. I found that washing the mahagony prior to sanding helped shrink the tiny staple holes as well. Now you cant find the staple marks at all after the stain, CPES, 4 oz glass cloth and 4 layers of epoxy. the wood looks great. I wish I had spent more time sanding for the perfiect finish now.

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John Amundsen
Monte Carlo
Winter Haven, FL

Maybe it will be done by G6 and maybe not.

Following up with the comment on the nylon brads. They come in 2 colors: brown and opaque. I was not aware of the brown ones until after the fact.

In dark stain, the brads show as little black dots and hides in the grain of the wood. I would like to have tried the brown brads to see how they would look but I was satisfied with the appearance I have now so no problem.

In light stained wood and non-stained wood - DO NOT use the nylon brads. They show like a sore thumb.

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My Riviera build - the Midnight Cry Project

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Rayv what im useing is a porter cable pin nailer it shoots 23 gauge metal pins they are such a narrow gauge that you cant hardly see them when you are done its just like shooting a tiny stick pin like ones used for sewing.