Composite Staples & Nails

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby bdenton624 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:09 am

I am planning on building a cedar strip Rangeley. I am debating whether or not to do it staple less, or using Raptor staples. I am concerned about removing the hull from the stations if I use Raptor staples since they will be sanded and not removed. Any experience or thoughts??

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Bill Edmundson » Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:34 am

bdenton624

If you can remove your stations from the strong back a good rap of a hammer will break the Raptors. But, if you won't be able to free up the forms I just used regular staples and pulled them.

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby slug » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:53 pm

Are the 18 ga. Raptor brads drivable in a regular 18 ga. gun ...ie. Porter Cable, etc?
Are they available in brown?
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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Bill Edmundson » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:14 pm

I drive them with a PC.

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Lowka53 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:20 pm

slug wrote:Are the 18 ga. Raptor brads drivable in a regular 18 ga. gun ...ie. Porter Cable, etc?
Are they available in brown?
Thanks; Doug
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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby slug » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:35 am

Thanks Bill and Rod. Will try on the colors.

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Bill McNamara » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:19 pm

Raptor Fasteners Vs Copper Clench nails?

I restore cedarstrip runabouts as a hobby, which usually involves the replacement of some/many oak ribs.
The original builders used copper clench nails to fasten the cedar.
I've been using the same technique, but this involves 2 people for much of the lower hull (bottom) sections. Hence the problem.......rounding up a "volunteer-nail-clencher", to work on the inside surface.
His or her job is to support the rib with a dolly or bucking bar,close to a pilot hole in the rib. The nail is then driven through.
The nail is clipped, leaving approx.3/16" stub. The stub is bent over flush with the rib, and clenched snuggly by holding the dolly against the bent tail, and setting from outside with a few hammer taps. Whew!

One done, several thousand to go!

I'd love to be able to get this down to a "one-person" operation. Would Raptor Fasteners allow this to happen?

Any comments greatly appreciated.

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Lowka53 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:28 pm

8) hmm it seams that binding over the nail is mainly for taking a hazard away but it would give some holding power the raptor nail when the go in to the wood they bond to the wood I am not sure of their strength and pull in power if used I would clamp a piece before nailing. I have a raptor nailor but have not used it yet.
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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Bill McNamara » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:57 am

Thanks for the reply Lowka 53.
There does have to be some "pull-in" happening, and clamping down nrear the keel would be a challenge.
I'm not re-planking the hull,just re-ribbing, so no chance of reaching inside with C-clamps etc.
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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Roberta » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:39 am

I have a CH finish nailer, but it uses 18 gauge nails that are from 1 1/2 -2 1/2" long. I suppose it would work with the longer nails, but not the shorter ones. I'm debating on getting the brad nailer or a stapler. What one is best for the 3-4mm plywood lams?

Bill, is the a size range for your PC?

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Bergy » Thu Aug 29, 2013 8:52 am

Roberta, I have the Omer brad nailer specified by Raptor and it shoots 3/4" brads. The package shows a 1/2" size also. I was contemplating bringing it to G7 as a 'rental' for a donation to the gathering kitty. If you decide to go with brads it's available.

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Bill Edmundson » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:54 am

Roberta

I think my PC brad gun goes 5/8 to 1 1/4. It will shoot the shorter Raptors. But, only once.

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Gayle Brantuk » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:32 am

Bill Edmundson wrote:Roberta

I think my PC brad gun goes 5/8 to 1 1/4. It will shoot the shorter Raptors. But, only once.

Bill


Does this mean you can shoot one composite fastening with the Porter Cable and that's it? The Raptor people say that the composite fastenings require tighter tolerances than for metal fasteners. But, I do know that many of you use other tools to shoot them--at least I thought so....

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Bill Edmundson » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:45 am

Gayle

No, I mean, I think there are 1//2" or 7/16" Raptor brads. I can't shoot those that are shorter than 5/8" with it.

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Re: Composite Staples & Nails

Postby Bergy » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:49 pm

Bill, the Omer brad nailer is identified as 1 3/16" - 2 1/2", but it shoots 3/4 just fine. I bought this from Raptor.

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