Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

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Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby keith » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:27 am

I have started assembling my frames and have a question about the fastener schedule. For the Gussets it calls for 5 nails per side. Does this mean that 10 nails are required for a Gusset, so that 5 go into the side piece and 5 into the bottom piece. 5 in total doesn't really seem enough nor make sense being an odd number.
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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby Bill Edmundson » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:49 am

There are 2 gussets per frame joint, and 1 floor timber. That is 5 pieces. Each gusset has 5 nails or screws. This stabilizes the gusset until the epoxy sets. Pre-drill the nails.

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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby upspirate » Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:46 am

If you look on the patterns, usually the nails are shown in a pattern on the gussets

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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby Skip_Oz » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:00 am

I am about to assemble my first frame Frame #1 on my Riviera (transom being way to tricky for the first assembly!) however after pouring over the plans and Glen's Boatbuilding with Plywood I am still confused about how to secure the floor timber to the bottom frame members.
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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby Gayle Brantuk » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:35 am

Skip_Oz,

The Fastening Schedule is on page 8 of the instructions and that lists what fastenings are used for each part. The floor timbers are secured to the frames with 1-1/4" #8 screws--8 each.

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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby Bill CNC » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:50 am

Pre-drill when you can, just as mentioned previously by Bill.

However, sometimes pre-drilling is more trouble than it's worth especially if it's not lining up properly.

There is another way, ... Put the head of the nail on the concrete and lightly tap the pointed tip with the your hammer twice to dull the point of the nail. This will prevent the wood from splitting. Why nails come with a sharp point is beyond me as it only splits the wood. I wish during the MFG process, they would just knock the point off, simple process to do in mfg.
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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby jenko » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:00 am

I used screws as per plans couldn't find any better pics for you hope these help. As Bill said predrill.
I predrilled the holes applied epoxy mixed with wood flour assembled and placed wire pins in all holes to stop movement while I put in the nails and screws
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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby Skip_Oz » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:58 am

Thanks for the quick replies!
Is there a preference for which side to pre drill? Or put in two screws from each side per frame?
I.e two through the floor timber (plywood) and two through the framing timber?
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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby Roberta » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:10 pm

I think it is preferrable to place the head, whether a screw or nail, on the side of the thinnest material, whenever possible. There will always be exceptions. Always pre-drill the side of the head of the fastener. When pre-drilling, use a tapered bit with a drill stop collar set for the correct depth for the length of the screw. Holes for nails should be slightly smaller than the nail shank.

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Re: Nails & screws in Gusset / floor timber

Postby Skip_Oz » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:51 am

Thanks for the replies once again.
Sorry I cant be at the gathering this year. Thinking about my friends there.
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