ceiling & gussett question

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ceiling & gussett question

Postby Jimbob » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:01 am

Hi Everybody!

Here's the next questions for you all. I'm completing the floor on my Barrelback. Getting ready to work on the ceilings? (walls) in the cockpit area. Do most of you attach the interior wall planking directly to the frames, or do you build a structure that is attached to the frames and then the planking to it?

I am also thinking about trimming the gussets in the cockpit area so that the wall planking goes straight to the floor instead of angling out at the bottom following the angle of the gussets that are on the frames. Seems like at this point with deck beams etc. that the part of the gusset that is not against the frame is not all that important.

As always, your suggestions and opinions are appreciated.

Jim

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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby billy c » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:17 am

Hi Jim
I used the frames. you may have to add a false frame member at the cockpit edges if you want to stop the ceiling at the end of the cockpit. I found the gussets on the Belle were hidden by the seating. I would not cut into them. When conditions get rough on the water and you are pounding thru the waves,you will be thankful It is a full plate holding together that butted joint
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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby Jimbob » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:36 am

Thanks Billy,

I get so focused on the next step, I didn't stop to think that the seats might just cover the gussets. I'll keep my fingers crossed, and check when I get home. I can still go flat on the ceilings and just go around the gussets. Thanks getting me to think further ahead.

Jim

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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby hoodman » Mon Jan 09, 2017 11:46 am

One of the things I have been wondering is how to keep water from getting trapped between the gussets. Do they need drain holes or should a piece of ply the thickness of the cockpit sole be put down between them so that water cannot collect there.

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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby billy c » Mon Jan 09, 2017 12:13 pm

hoodman wrote:One of the things I have been wondering is how to keep water from getting trapped between the gussets. Do they need drain holes or should a piece of ply the thickness of the cockpit sole be put down between them so that water cannot collect there.

Matt I just encapsulated it. water can drain easily between it and the sole
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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby slug » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:29 am

Jim; Just yesterday I completed the ceiling structure(??) on my Gentry. Here are some pics of my process. Everything is now removed for finishing.
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curved boards being laminated
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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby slug » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:32 am

And one more (frustrating 3 attachment rules!
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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby Bill Edmundson » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:33 am

Why not just cut a wedge and fill in between the gussets?

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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby Brad Tucker » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:41 am

On my Tahoe, I only cut 1 pair of gussets, ahead of the rear seat. The next forward pair were covered by my seat bases. The pair ahead of that, I covered with Dek-King same as the floor. I will try to post a pic of the covered ones next. Stand by......
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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby Brad Tucker » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:52 am

The first pic is of the covered gusset. The second pic, you can't see anything, but the gusset was cut back in order for the Dek King to overlay, and cut back for the upholstery panel. I don't know if it's taboo to cut them or not, but I had to in order for things to be right. Time will tell.
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You can't see it, but the gusset here in front of the rear seat was cut to allow overlay of the Dek-King. This sides were cut back to allow the upholstery panel to drop to the floor.
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Port gusset, under dash, covered with flooring material (Dek-King)
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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby Jimbob » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:23 am

Thanks Everyone!

You all have been so helpful! The pics really help.

On my boat, it looks like the front seat will cover the gusset, the gusset in the rear seat area will be 3-4 inches in front of the rear seat. I think I will put a wedge in the hole and then cover the gusset that is exposed and the one under the dash with mahogany veneer so it looks finished and then work around them with the ceiling planks.

Now I have a question on the ceiling planks. I was thinking of two ways to go. Mill mahogany down to 3/8" and use that for the planks, or use 1/4 okuma plywood with a 1/8 mahogany veneer (might be more stable) . Does 3/8" thickness sound ok? I am leaning toward the solid mahogany because of less work and I will have a nice edge when I cut the holes used for storage. I attached a pic of the storage hole, and the look I am after.

I think I am driving myself nuts with all these details. (just noticed they don't have a crazy emogie)

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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby Bill Edmundson » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:17 pm

Jim

On the Tahoe, I used 3/16 (4mm) Okumne for ceilings. On the Bartender I'm using 1/4 it's what I have. Tahoe was bright. The Bartender is paint.

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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby neel thompson » Wed Jan 11, 2017 6:34 am

JIm... I used 3/8" solid mahogany boards for the ceilings. I put a slight rounded edged on each piece and then butted them up to each other. They are flexible enough to make the interior curves. I did put the ceiling boards on over 1/4" ply.
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Re: ceiling & gussett question

Postby Jimbob » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:37 am

Thanks everyone! With all of your ideas and pictures this is what I ended up doing. I found that the gussets weren't as big a problem as I anticipated. Turns out when I extended out the floor, they were only at most an inch higher than the floor level, so I trimmed the gussets and they became part of the support for the flooring. I will plug and cover the gussets under the dash with mahogany veneer and leave them exposed. The pictures below show a gusset before and after the trim.

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