Neeley's Barrelback - Sacramento

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Call Jonathan at Mactowa Bay Boat Works in MI. These are very knowledgeable people who restore woodies and build wood boat trailers. They built mine because they were the closest people to CA I could find who actually knew the vagaries of a wood boat trailer. Cost me a lot, but I have confidence in them. They made no mention of tying down the stern in all the detailed instructions on launching and recovering my boat from a ramp. As I said, my boat and trailer have come across the ocean and spent a few hours on the freeways in CA. Potholes and some long bouncy turns didn't budge it. Bow cleat tied to the winch tower, that's it. If it had moved side-to-side, it couldn't go far, maybe an inch or two. Maybe you have other concerns, but for towing to and from a local ramp, I don't think you need stern tie downs. Trailer in the right lane, go 55, and keep your eye on the road. Putting something over the top risks a blemish. All the wood boat people I know say don't even put your cover on it if you are towing a long distance, because it will rub. Put it on only when the boat is sitting around.

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At the risk of forever hijacking Jim's thread...

I'll weigh in again. I asked Jonathan this very question. Don't ask, he doesn't comment. I drive by his shop once a week to see what's going in and out. They do service work on wooden boats from NY to Wisconsin. Jonathan told me to put a strap over the drive shaft forward of the strut.

Here in Michigan, haul a piece of earth moving equipment (heavier than I boat), it has to be tied to the trailer. Is there a concern that a small 17,000 # bulldozer will bounce around, of course not. Don't tie it down, get a ticket, anything less than four chains at the corners, get a ticket. The chain has to be rated for the weight of the trailer or the weight of the load whichever is less. So the idea is to keep things together while the driver is going off through the tall grass after avoiding an idiot on the highway. Since we are looking at the same issue across all jurisdictions, best to consult the authorities in your jurisdiction, ie the guy that passes out tickets.

So for me, also getting a trailer from Jonathan at mbbw.com (shameless plug for a neighbor), a strap through the bow lifting eye back to a hook on the winch tower to secure the boat when its retrieved. The goal post style winch tower will keep the boat out of my rear truck window during an emergency stop. A pair of retractable tie-downs similar to www.amazon.com/BoatBuckle-Retractable-T ... B01JIJS1MM will keep the back of a 1000# trailer under the boat if things get scary. And some kind of safety strap to back up the ratchet on the recovery winch. (I have seen a boat halfway up the ramp when the ratchet wasn't engaged and trailer was pulled from under the boat.)

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This is a good discussion, regardless of hacking Jim's thread a little. Thinking of your comment, the whole subject probably has to do with two things: Weight and bottom angle in the stern. With a small, light boat, absolutely strap it down. But with a 28', 5,500# boat with a bit of a bottom angle aft, I don't think necessary. Obviously, if it makes you feel more secure, do it. I have been trailering boats for 60 years, from a 12' hydroplane (a Glen-L design), to ski-race boats, to a 36' offshore monster. The only one I remember timing down aft is the hydro, which weighed almost nothing and had a heavy outboard on it. "When things get scary" is not in my lexicon. I drive very conservatively when towing anything. About 10 years ago, I had a trailer depart and head into the bush via a ditch, a series of events way too complicated to relate here. But when we pulled it back out, the boat had not moved an inch. I have also had a boat (long ago) hit a bump too fast (yes, stupid on my part, but I think I was about 18). The boat went up in the air, stuff flew out, and we pulled over to put it back together again. It had moved back from the bow bumper a little, but had settled right back, centered onto the bunks aft. Again, if an aft tie down makes you feel better, do it. I'm just saying I would hate to see a builder put unnecessary hardware on a boat or risk abrading the finish for fear of losing it or damaging it on a trailer. Sorry Jim! Signing off, washing my hands and staying isolated. Great time to have a boat project!

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Jim

Five years ago I started a 19ft BB. I got side tracked by life (new job, moving, babies, etc.). I am just now getting back to work on this project. I am currently going back through my old work and fixing the fairing "mistakes" I made as an overzealous new builder. I am hoping to start my planking in the next couple months. Your boat is beautiful, and I like the fact that you tried to be as period correct as possible. That too is my goal (budget permitting).

That being said, I have never seen a BB in person. I noticed that at one point you offered to provide another builder a CD of the BB pictures you have taken through the years. Is there any chance that you would be willing to share those with me. I could provide you a dropbox link to upload the files. I would have PMed you, but I do not have enough posts under my belt at this time.

Thanks in advance.
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Happy to. Just give me a site to put them into and you can have the lot. I don't have a CD/DVD drive. Ancient tech!

I completed my 28' Monte Carlo in January, and got it to CA just in time for COVID. The upholstery was done there, and now it's at Lake Tahoe, in the capable hands of Sierra Boat. It has not yet been in the water, hoping I can get there. But it looks like that's not going to be possible, so SB will probably do the trials without me in the next few weeks, then put it in winter storage. After 7 years of construction, this is very frustrating.

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Brian,

I sent you a PM with a link to a Microsoft OneDrive folder. Not sure if you received it, as I am just now able to send private messages.
Again, thanks for offering to upload the photographs.
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I did get it. Got a construction project going on at the house, so I'll get to it soon.

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If you get up to Tahoe, the "Lanikai" is at Sierra Boat.

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No problem. I'm new to the board. So, I still trying to figure out when things go through, etc. Again appreciate it.
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OK, I've tried, but I'm very confused about the one-drive process. I opened yours, but it wanted me to open my own. I've done that, dropped in all my build files, but not sure what to do next. Here is the link: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AgCm-iEBub8yg0JmcfR ... 9?e=Lar4eK. I will leave it live until I hear from you. There may be some redundancies, but I could take time to go through every photo. Let me know asap.

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I wonder how Jim’s beautiful Barrelback is coming along ?
Sheesh,
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Going to drop the motor in next week. I made arrangements with a classic boat shop to put in a prop shaft and align. Had to make a few adjustments to get the motor in place. All else is done except crash pads upholstery.
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Me too, crash pad is the last major obstacle. I’m still in the scratching my head phase. It will be like all the other upholstery, takes time and more time messing with it to get it right.
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My Monte Carlo “Lanikai” has been launched with total success by Sierra Boat at Tahoe, and will reside in their shop another week or two until it goes into storage. It was unfortunate that COVID prevented me from going for the launch, but it was great to see/hear that it performed perfectly. All that was needed was a booster electric fuel pump to fix some minor starvation at top end. They are still waiting for a bigger prop, as it’s doing over 50 at 5,800, so that rpm needs to come down to about 5,400. It sits and runs level, which amazed me, given the mods I made in the original design. Glen was concerned, so it’s too bad he’s not around to see that it turned out well. If you want to see it before they move it to storage, call the GM, Chris, and confirm it’s still there. See you on the Lake in May!
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Hack, hack, hack!
How bout posting elsewhere?
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