Andy's Zip build

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I gave the idea of adding floatation the old college try on my Malahini, but decided no-go. My outboard weight pretty much killed the idea of staying level. I will have to hope that my 2 large sump pumps and bailers buy me enough time to get close to shore before she sinks to the bottom of the lake.
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Has anyone developed a calc sheet for a zip?
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I'm probably about to show my ineptitude, but does the foam actually help the boat float or is it just for safety? My brain tells me is just for safety if the boat sinks or gets swamped, but I'm no engineer. Kind of reminds me of that question they did on Mythbusters about whether an airplane can take off on a treadmill. For the record I at least knew the plane would take off.
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I appreciate the links. I've read that information before. It specifically mentions 'manufacturer', so I'm not sure it applies to home=builts, although I bet someone here is very certain of that.

Nonetheless, mine will have floatation and I expect it will float level while swamped.

My battery is in the back near my engine, so I will stuff all the floation I can back there. I will reserve maybe one cubic foot for somewhere forward of the center of gravity.

Gene, the foam ensures that your boat doesn't go to the bottom. You can cling to it and get it back to shore for repairs in the event you punch a hole in the bottom, etc.
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Mr Hot Rod wrote:
Retroman wrote:Is it even possible to put enough floatation in a Zip to actually prevent the boat from sinking to the bottom. Im sure there is a mathmatical formula to determine how much you would need.
You may want to review flotation regulations in the BOATBUILDER'S HANDBOOK, more specifically, Subpart G — Flotation Requirements For Outboard Boats Rated for Engines of More Than 2 Horsepower.

Level Flotation applies to monohull outboard boats that are less than 20 feet. You must calculate how much foam will be needed to support the boat, the machinery, and a portion of the passengers. Flotation material must be installed in specific locations to ensure that the swamped boat floats in a level position.
Basic Flotation applies to inboards, inboard/outdrives and air boats less than 20 feet in length. In Basic Flotation, the boat must be kept afloat in the event of a swamping but it does not have to remain in an upright or any specific position.
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Gene

Floatation omly adds weight until you swamp. Then it is safety.

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Damn blizzard...

Nothing is getting done on my boat--and right when it's supposed to be getting fun!
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So here we are..., our sixth month of 'winter' here in the beloved State of Kansas. My boat should have been done long ago, but there it sits, unfinished. It snowed yesterday, and the wet misery has persisted for months. Seasonal depression has hit an all time high in this area, and my workshop is no exception.

I'm at the poit where I need to encapsulate and finish the deck, yet the idea of mixing epoxy or painting in these temps and at this humidity is not appealing. One good weekend would do wonders, but I can't even get that. Enough belly-aching...

I also bought an airplane, and we are buying a new home in a neighboring town while trying to sell ours and my recently passed Father-in-law's place.

Here are the last pics I took.

Encapsulate, paint, upholster, secure floatation, windshield (or not), and I'm done.
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The new plane. A TEAM Airbike, 40HP 2-stroke Rotax
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Look's Great and that plane is really cute!!! Have fun!!! You'll have to fly it to the Beaumont Hotel for lunch.
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Taxiing to the hotel in Beaumont, Kansas Circa 1990.
Taxiing to the hotel in Beaumont, Kansas Circa 1990.
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Andy,

Looks ready to me hook up the wheel and soak it!!

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Roberta, Have you been to Beaumont Hotel? That's a popular fly-in spot around here.

Yea, it's sea worthy. I could test it tomorrow, but I'm gonna finish it first.
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Back in the 90's we flew our venerable Cherokee there. What a cow path of a runway, at least back then. Flew right over a truck on takeoff. What a HOOT!!!! Way cool to taxi and stop at the main hiway. Water tower reminded me of petticoat junction.

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Roberta

That water tower was for your steam powered airplane :!: :P

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Andy the Zip looks great! I feel like you in the fact that my boat should be done but I just can't get the time to work on it.
I really like your new toy- I just bought a Quicksilver myself :D


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Bill Edmundson wrote:Roberta

That water tower was for your steam powered airplane :!: :P

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It did have what pilots now call steam gages. :lol: :wink:

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