Utility build

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Re: Utility build

Post by BarnacleMike » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:26 am

Hercdrvr wrote:I know everyone has seen this picture before but it will make you laugh at your little “oops”
Boat was a week old when I had to make this repair. If you don’t have to fish her off the bottom, it’s an easy fix.
Matt B
Well, I've gotta say, it definitely made me laugh!

I remember that, as well as how beautifully you fixed it & added a swim platform to boot.

I was honestly thinking about that when I was looking at my mangled transom yesterday. It helped keep me calm & to know that I can fix this.
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Re: Utility build

Post by vupilot » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:43 pm

Mike! I know its not funny to you since you had to fix it but your line along with that picture of the two holes just had me cracking up. "Sometimes it astounds me just how badly something can go." The fix sure is time consuming which is always the frustrating part of it for me. Thanks for sharing, its always good to know we arent alone in our own screwups

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Re: Utility build

Post by mrintense » Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:59 pm

Sorry to see the mistake Mike. I know how frustrating that can feel. But consider that the repair will make you even more confident of your abilitiy to handle any future events, should they arise.

I've seen several of these type of incidents over the years. A friend of mine with a 28 foot home built Blue Jacket accidentally slammed his trailer into the side shortly after completing the build. You can't even tell where the repair is today and the boat works just fine.
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Re: Utility build

Post by BarnacleMike » Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:16 pm

vupilot wrote:Mike! I know its not funny to you since you had to fix it but your line along with that picture of the two holes just had me cracking up.
Believe it or not, I actually did find it kind of funny at the time... just to look at that mess I made, and how absurdly botched it was!

Thankfully, it's already well on its way to being fixed. The plug is epoxied solidly into place, and I have already re-drilled the hole where it should be. I've got the inner diameter of each hole coated with epoxy to water seal it, since it'll still be outside while I finish working on it. The weather forecast looks to be clear and sunny for most of the week, so hopefully I can make some more progress on it after work throughout the week.

I'll post some photo updates soon.
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Re: Utility build

Post by BarnacleMike » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:27 pm

As promised, here are some photos of progress on the drain tube fiasco repair.

All things considered, I think it's coming along reasonably well. As you can see in the pictures, the "adjusted" hole has a bit of a gap on the bottom. My plan currently is to fill it with thickened epoxy. As far as installing & water sealing the tubes themselves, I don't know if it will need more than that.

I need to look at some other threads and blogs to see how others of you went about it. If anyone knows of a good, detailed account of installing these, please let me know.
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Re: Utility build

Post by mrintense » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:33 am

I think these drain holes must give many of us troubles. I drilled both of mine several years ago when the hull was still upside down and then realized that I had drill them perpendicular to the transom, leaving the inside hole a good 1/2" above the bottom of the hull. Meaning that 1/2" worth of water would not be able to drain! Right now, with the veneer on the back, the holes are covered over but they are still open on the inside and I will eventually plug them and re-drill. I even still have the original round plugs from the first time I drilled them to use as plugs (assuming they are big enough)

My plan is to drill them at an angle to the transom so that the inside hole is as close to the bottom skin as possible and then place an angled wedge on the outside.
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Re: Utility build

Post by PeterG » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:59 am

Carl, I understand your desire to get your drain tubes angled in order to drain all water from your boat but I think it's a better idea to leave them as-is. The way the tubes are swaged into place won't allow them to be angled, they need to be perpendicular to the transom. If you try to go at an angle, inside the transom the tubes will make contact at the bottom 6-o'clock spot with a gap around the rest of the tube. And the exterior side the tube will make contact at the 12-o'clock spot with a gap. If you try to close the gap with the swaging mandrels, you'll damage the transom.
Honestly, cleaning a 1/2" of water over a small-ish area of your bilge is a small thing compared to trying to move the tubes and the potential damage, delay and heartache that could cause.
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Re: Utility build

Post by hoodman » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:25 am

PeterG wrote:Honestly, cleaning a 1/2" of water over a small-ish area of your bilge is a small thing compared to trying to move the tubes and the potential damage, delay and heartache that could cause.
I think this is just the reality of drain tubes. I'm planning on having an old towel in the garage just for mopping up any remaining bilge water when I get home from the lake.
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Re: Utility build

Post by Folgore » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:06 am

Yeah, having a tiny amount of water like that isn't going to sink your cruiser, however trying to fix things like that can sink your sanity :lol: you can buy a small bilge pump if it allows you not to worry to much, but it may be overkill on a small boat.

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Re: Utility build

Post by mrintense » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:59 pm

Regarding bilge tubes:

Yeah I suspect you all are right. I would have to have angled plates on the outside of the transom (ugly) and likely the tube I have would be too short. I plan on leaving the last 6 inches of floor open under the motor well so getting access to wipe this out won't be a problem.
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Re: Utility build

Post by BarnacleMike » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:44 pm

Folgore wrote: you can buy a small bilge pump if it allows you not to worry to much, but it may be overkill on a small boat.
I think my bilge pump, (a 500 GPH RuleMate), probably is overkill for my boat. The problem is, the bilge pump still allows more standing water than these drain tubes will. The pump doesn't even come on until the water is almost 2" deep, and still doesn't get ALL of the water out.

I probably wouldn't install drain tubes at all, if I didn't have to store the boat outside.
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Re: Utility build

Post by BarnacleMike » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:50 pm

More progress on the drain hole "fix":

I realized that I could use my hole saw, aligned at a slight offset to the hole left from the first plug, to cut away a long "U" shaped shim.

I coated the shim, and the lower part of the botched drain hole, with thickened epoxy... and then pressed the shim into place. Once it cures, I'll still need to clean up the hole with my hole saw. I think I'm close to a usable fix.
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Re: Utility build

Post by BarnacleMike » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:51 am

I’ve finally got this fixed enough that I’m hoping to install the drain tubes this weekend. Doing a little touch-up paint & encapsulation first.
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Re: Utility build

Post by BarnacleMike » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:12 am

Slight change of plans. I’m going to go ahead and install them now, with some heavily thickened epoxy. I’ll use the epoxy to also fill in some peripheral spots, mis-cuts, etc.

I’ll paint it later, after the epoxy cures. Not my ideal situation, but I’m trying to stay ahead of some potential rain. The boat actually has standing water in it now, so I’m eager to get these to a useable state asap.
-Michael

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Re: Utility build

Post by BarnacleMike » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:07 pm

Well, for better or worse, they’re in there now.
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