The Freebie Zip

Outboard designs up to 14'

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby Bill CNC » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:28 pm

Lil Jon wrote:You might consider the all aluminum 215 cu in Buick/ Olds/ Land Rover V-8 with a Velvet drive 71c tranny with 1:1 ratio. A stock 215 ranges from 160 hp/ 2 barrel carb- 200 hp/ 4 barrel and only weighs 400 lbs with tranny!
I put one in a 12' Tiny Might with great results.
As far as marine hardware for the 215, I am casting manifolds and bellhousings for them this winter and will have them ready by spring.
Your Zip would look cool as a rear cockpit inboard with a v-8 sticking out of the deck!


Lil John,

I used to have a 62 Buick Special with that motor in it. I think she might be a little large and more power than the Zip can handle. Another issue would be availability, there just not than many around anymore. Flea-bay has a non running one for $750.00 and a rebuilt one for $4,500.00 :shock: Both are not complete.

I think a 4 cylinder would be perfect, ... just trying to find one that would be a perfect fit as far as power to weight ratio is going to be the tricky part.
All,

I thought about a jet drive, ... but that would eliminate the back cockpit seating.

I need more ideas for the Free Forum Zip! Don't be bashful, ... the only dumb idea, ... is the ones that arn't put out there. :wink:
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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby steveh41 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:49 pm

There is an article on marinizing a Subaru engine in Wooden Boat, I believe no. 134, Jan/Feb 1997. Power/weight should be acceptable for the Zip. Would be a fair amount of effort but with your machining resources might work out very well.


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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby Andy Garrett » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:09 pm

An 1100 or 1200 cubic centimeter motorcycle engine would be in the 50HP range. I don't know if they can be marinized from a bike.

For that matter, a PWC motor IS a marinized motorcycle engine. Maybe you can use the engine but convert to V-drive in order to keep the motor at the back. The power would be in the 50HP range--perfect.
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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby vwcrash » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:20 pm

Vw powered!

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby rocker » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:59 pm

You could always go green and do electric????? :idea:
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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby slug » Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:19 pm

There was a link on here several months ago about a little tug ( about 9' I think ) that had a Subaru engine in it. That thing took off like a scared rabbit! I think it was for sale in Florida.
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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby Alain2 » Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:27 pm

...very late to contribute but I was thinking of building a zip with an inboard, and the engine of choice I thought would be the marine pathfinder diesel 4cyl, basically it is a vw diesel engine marinized and sold as the pathfinder marine engine.

Now I am more thinking I would like an inboard/outboard setup. Anyone who could give me idea for that I would appreciate. My idea if I found the correct engine and leg would be to increase the length of the zip a bit.

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby John K » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:17 am

Might sound strange, but how about an air cooled VW engine. I have read someplace about them being used for inboards.

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby Bill CNC » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:49 am

Alain2

Hmmm, ... I personally don't think the Zip would be very happy with an I/O setup, let alone still be floating as they are extremely heavy. The out-drive unit itself weighs as much as an outboard. Then add the weight of the Gimbal, about half the weight of an outboard, Then the transom plate, another 20 pounds, then your engine, which will certainly be more than an outboard. So you would have the weight equivalent of 3-4 outboards on the back end, .... :shock:

If you go inboard, you'll need a motor under the 300 pound range and that will have to sit up front.

I have a Mercruiser 3.0, 140HP complete setup sitting here looking for a project and it weighs about 900 pounds in all, ... No way would it work for a Zip.

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby matt167 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:28 pm

How about a Mercruiser 3.7L with an aftermarket aluminum 460 Ford cylinder head. That will be lighter than the all iron 140hp as it would be all aluminum, and could go 200hp pretty easy. That would be an awful lot of power for 14' tho

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby Bill CNC » Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:31 pm

Matt,

With the money you would need to drop it in and have it running, ... why on earth would you put it into a Zip?
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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby matt167 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:45 pm

Why not? Planing hulls have no real HP max, so as long as you can keep it floating, you can keep gaining speed. So a zip overpowered by about 150hp, just might end up interesting. Keep the chines from walking and it would be a wild ride.. I think a Tiny Mite might make a better boat for that engine tho..

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby vupilot » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:49 pm

Tiny Mite seems the way to go for what you want to do.

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby Mr Hot Rod » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:44 pm

You could build another twin jet Zip :


... or power it with a Mercury Sport Jet 90 or 120 if you can find one (285 lbs and 304 lbs respectively). Small footprint and the weight isn't excessive ...


Will it be ready for G7 ??

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Re: The Freebie Zip

Postby Roberta » Sun Aug 18, 2013 5:24 am

That looks cool!!!

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