Michael's ZIP

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby JimmY » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:46 am

BayouBengal wrote:Sapele has an interesting smell when you sand it


I love the smell of Sapele in the morning! Sorry, wrong movie. :D
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby BarnacleMike » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:05 pm

JimmY wrote:
I love the smell of Sapele in the morning! Sorry, wrong movie. :D


Great movie. Cue the Wagner....

Thanks everyone for your input on the wood. I thought maybe I was doing something wrong... but if that's just the nature of the wood, then I'll let it go and keep on truckin'
-Michael

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby BarnacleMike » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:13 am

Latest progress photo. I've got frame #2 glued and screwed.

Long, long way to go...
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Built Utility "Perseverance" — completed Aug 2016
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby Cribbsy » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:33 pm

Looking good mate

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby BarnacleMike » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:08 am

Hey, a question for anyone who might have been at G9 in 2015:

Do you have any photos of Tom Dietrich's Zip, specifically detail shots of the transom & his swim ladder? His boat was the red Zip with the white Johnson motor. I sent him a PM also, but it looks like he hasn't been on the forum in a while.

It's this boat:

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-Michael

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby JimmY » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:49 am

If he doesn't chime in, you might try Hercdrvr (Matt B), he has a swim ladder on his Malahini.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby BarnacleMike » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:28 am

Yes, I was able to take a look at his setup during G11. He has a really nice boat.

I actually bought the same type of platform from the G11 “swap meet.” It will fit (barely) on the Zip transom. However, I’m considering just using the ladder part & building a small swim step rather than use the full platform.

I’m concerned that the full platform may look too large on the Zip, and detract from the aesthetics. Also, I don’t foresee doing a lot of swimming from the boat. Still, I do want to have some means of reboarding the boat from the water.

I’m considering building a small transom step, similar to what you might see on a 1965 Century Resorter. The fold-up step would attach to that.

I’m just very interested to see how others may have adapted swim ladders on a Zip.
-Michael

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby BarnacleMike » Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:30 am

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby BarnacleMike » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:23 am

Still moving at a snail's pace... but it's progress.

I've got the stem encapsulated with three coats of epoxy, and coated with five layers of primer.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby joshuab » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:39 pm

Looking good.
I cut twice and it's still too short :mrgreen:

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby Jimbob » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:34 am

Re: Ladder
My Dad had a ski boat in the 60's that had a boat ladder that we stowed in the boat and brought out when some one needed to get back into the boat.
It worked great. The hooks and bottoms supports folded in for easy storage. This is what I will use for my barrelback.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby BarnacleMike » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:13 pm

Hi Jim,

Yes... I have seen those. I imagine that type of ladder could be pretty practical.

I think part of my conundrum is that I may be asking the Zip to be something it's not. As much as I love those 22-foot inboards with the graceful transoms and the beautiful swim decks.... the little Zip is not, and cannot be, one of those. But, I'm trying to find some type of arrangement that would provide some means of re-boarding the boat from the water AND:

1. Be able to be deployed from the water (in case of an "overboard" situation)
2. Add to, or at least not detract from, the original aesthetics of the design
3. Be minimalist, but usable. (It is not likely that it will see much repeated use.)

I keep contemplating different possibilities to incorporate a simple and attractive boarding step onto the transom that might perhaps mimic the look of a swim platform but much smaller. I could use the foldable step I bought at G11, and the folded part could fit against the transom somehow.

Another possibility I've begun to consider is the compact Garelick folding ladder. The mounting bolt pattern is very compact, which would be great for a small transom like the Zip. Aesthetically, it's not my favorite... But, I thought a similar ladder on Bob Brandenstein's Malahini looked very attractive.

I guess I'm still looking for that "Ah-Ha" moment. In this case, there may not be one... I don't know.
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-Michael

Built Utility "Perseverance" — completed Aug 2016
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby chugalug » Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:51 pm

:D looks good. don't paint the edges that get the epoxy glue for chine and shear(just my two zinc pennies) :D
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby BarnacleMike » Sat Nov 25, 2017 8:47 am

Over the last few weeks, I've been working to encapsulate Frame #2. I've been taking much more care about fit-and-finish than I did with my Utility. As part of that, I've sanded each layer of epoxy with 220 grit in an effort to have the smoothest final surface I can reasonably achieve.

Before adding each new layer, I've vacuumed the sanded surface thoroughly and also washed it off with a moist rag to clean off the epoxy dust.

On the last layer, I believe I sanded the epoxy a bit too thin. When I washed the surface, I believe some moisture seeped through the epoxy, and apparently I did not allow it enough time to evaporate & dry before adding another coat. Here's a photo of the resulting rough surface in the epoxy...

It looks to me like the moisture was trying to get out, but got trapped underneath the curing epoxy. Has anyone else experienced this?
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-Michael

Built Utility "Perseverance" — completed Aug 2016
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Postby Bill Edmundson » Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:21 am

Mike

I've seen it on the Bartender cockpit sole. I don't know the cause. I used epoxy, which was not supposed to blush, by the directions. I finally sanded it, cleaned it, then wiped it down with denatured alcohol.

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