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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:23 pm 
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Well as you owned an AC cobra I can see where your coming from :D " I love that car" burn that fence down :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:25 pm 
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Put chrome pipes thru the deck too.

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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:07 pm 
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Ya right! :shock: You can put chrom pipes on your boat... but like I said earlier ..... I will not mess with the lines of the boat..... No hood scoop and no pipes! She may end up with way too much power but she will still look classy! And elegant :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:13 pm 
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shoulda been more clear on my intentions when I posted my essay, but it was very late My point was more that, even if you choose a 350 or even smaller, you MAY end up having more fun building your own engine, and 99% for sure will have a better performing boat at the end - if you're a hot rod guy, assembling an engine shouldn't be that daunting, and when you pop the hatch, it wont matter if it's a 350 or a 572 - it will look gorgeous, and be lighter, faster, and better handling then a premade one! Robertson screws are a godsend, I wish glen-l offered them - I would use the 100% if I could find them in silicon bronze!!! My first boat, I had a few robertson...some stainless, some brass. None lasted even close to as long as the bronze did, so sadly I'm stuck with the glen-l screws. Interestigly, frearson, like robertson, are designed not to strip (and rarely do if both ends are frearson)...but if you try and use a phillips bit (designed to strip), then bad things happen! again, google is your friend if your curious. My build isn't finished, but if you look in my last post, viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16382, you can see a picture of a sanded (but not yet stained or glassed or varnished) section of veneer I put on with raptor staples. My eye has to be within a few inches of the hull to pick out a nail - they really do dissapear. And I can't express how nice it is to not have to remove them, or worry about sanding...they're worth thier weight in gold for ease of construction alone! Let us know how the engine choice goes, and the build! Again, I had a very similar engine dilema a few years ago - here's 8 pages of forum knowledge to help you out! viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6092&start=15 the cheap swill articles by Nova SS are both small blocks that will fit and make weight, turning over 500 hp. theres also a lot of info from caber, and others, on how to properly convert an auto engine (4 port thermostat, for instance), and the benefits of doing so. And remember, even if the hull isn't designed for going over 60, it's almost more fun to get there quickly and effortlessly - as you said, sometimes it's fun to have too much power! My plan with the rampage is to, once and only once, when it's dead calm and I have a lot of people there to help, see how fast it wll actually go - for the rest of the time I wont make it muh past 50 MPH, but it's great to know I could, tell people what it will hit, and get to 50 in a matter of seconds while my friends take half a minute :D

Again, just my two cents....being a speed freak, I'm a bit biased, but it's called the torpedo! It should look sexy as hell, and MOVE...just look at that hull, it was made to go fast*!

Denon

*Asking glen himself is probably the best advice here. He'll tell you what the hull is truly capable of...with that knowledge, my personal choice would be to then use the speed chart posted earlier to find the required HP, and then build the smallest/lightest auto engine that will reliably put that out day after day. Plus, if you build a 383 that only weighs 500 lbs vs the alost a thousand for the mercury, it's fuel appetite will be roughly offset by the 500 lb weight savings! and, your boat will perform a lot better. Damn, wrote another essay again...sigh.


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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:08 pm 
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Again.. Things that make you go Hmmmmm :D
I got to say i like that cheap swill article 8)... Now we are back to a small block with 457 lb of torque and 515 little ponies 8) both just waiting to say Hello! :mrgreen: .... Just in case one was to feel the need for speed :lol: :lol: ... Well this will certanly give me something to think about.I still will wait to here what the designer has to say about it preior to making my decision. One thing i have noticed is that none of the marine engines seeem to use the aluminum heads.... why? :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:35 pm 
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Interesting side note… :cry: just got off the phone with Edelbrock.. and they Highly do not recommend using any type of street engines for marine use… :cry: It seems that the cams are not suitable as they would suck back the water up into the heads…. :oops: Reallly bad thing.. And as soon as we switch it up to a marine suitable cam we will be back to the low 300hp range for a 5.7 Hmmmm :roll: It looks like I Might as well stick to the 5.7L MerCruiser "Scorpion" from Michigan Motorz :(


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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 3:53 pm 
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:D :D :mrgreen: just found another option..... http://www.promarperformanceengines.com ... 383-ci.asp

Chevy 383 CI Small Block Marine 380HP 435FT/LBS TQ and it's a marine engine :mrgreen: and a small block :mrgreen: .. yes!!!! :mrgreen: this Torpedo is going to be able to fly! :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:28 pm 
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mlavimodiere wrote:
Interesting side note… :cry: just got off the phone with Edelbrock.. and they Highly do not recommend using any type of street engines for marine use… :cry: It seems that the cams are not suitable as they would suck back the water up into the heads…. :oops: Reallly bad thing.. And as soon as we switch it up to a marine suitable cam we will be back to the low 300hp range for a 5.7 Hmmmm :roll: It looks like I Might as well stick to the 5.7L MerCruiser "Scorpion" from Michigan Motorz :(

I think Edelbrock misled you a bit on their response to your query. The HOT Boat guys have been running hot cams for a good many years. There are appropriate marine headers for the Hot cams to work in marine cooling. there are appropriate marine headers to use if you pony up the money.
There is 2 ways to look at Edelbrocks response.
"Street cams CANNOT be used in marine engines"
"Our warranty does not cover marine applications"
I think the latter is the application of their response.

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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:35 am 
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I would enjoy building the engine as well.. And I sure don't mind saving a few bucks.
Has Anybody on here built or converted a high performance crate engine to marine use where a wet exhaust is used?
Second ... Why would they not want to  warranty their creat engine under marine conditions? Would it not prove that their engine is bullet proof?
  


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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:15 am 
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A note on the minor side comment on screws. Tacoma Screw has the Robertson drive in silicon bronze. We've been getting them mailed for years.

Ron

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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:16 am 
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mlavimodiere wrote:
Has Anybody on here built or converted a high performance crate engine to marine use where a wet exhaust is used ?

We built a custom 355 small block with forged parts, AFR aluminum heads and MSD marine ignition. Glenwood supplied the exhaust manifolds, timing chain cover and cam drive water pump.

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Just what you need for the Torpedo !! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:19 am 
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Thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:51 pm 
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Ok.. Now that we have finally settled that.. :D In my mind at least... :D the only question remaining will be just how many little ponies will it take to satisfy my need for speed!? :mrgreen: right now I'm thinking around 450 to 500... :lol: after all it is the Torpedo! :D and torpedos need to be fast don't they?..
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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:31 pm 
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Typical vintage day torpedoes went about 35 knots with some reaching 51 knots. A Soviet nuclear torpedo reportedly went up to 250 knots. What is your goal?

Roberta :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Torpedo
PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:49 pm 
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I like where your head is at!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
But I think if I was to shoot for the 250 knots my wife would refuse to get in it... :lol: :lol: :lol: So I think I need to keep it a little lower then that... :lol: :lol: Happy wife! happy life!.......however...... Unhappy husband no wife.... :mrgreen: Oops was that my outside voice .. :lol:


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