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Huh? I see nothing that is critical in either direction. These boats and parts costs what they do for hopefully a caparible product. i mistyped the price but also gave you two prices which also included the 90 in a seperate mail too. Deduction was surely in order. All I personally did was to attempt to solve your e tec issue offering up an alternative outlet that had been more than fair in their price structure when I was in the market and comparing prices. You also did not want to purchase additional accessories such as the harnesses and controls and cable.

For sure your boat deserves top shelf. After this fiasco, I would never consider buying another engine from the distance from the dealer in Florida no matter if you get your money refunded. There is surely no logic, IMO after what you have learned about the hogpog setup on this used engine.
Of course historical events has learned me to never buy anything solely because of the bottom line of something. A used engine that requires several thousands of dollars to get up and running does not give me faith when added crew and gear on board for a hundred mile venture much less an offshore trip.
One of the local forum guys and I have repeatedly discussed the issue of using vintage engines on these boats. For me personally this would never work for me on a regular basis. I need and want to know that I can depend on safely boating and even returning to the dock on any given day in the worse of the worse if need be with confidence.
If I need parts I also want a local guy or a brand name engine that has a network of parts and dealers within the touch of my fingers or phone anyway so I can be back on the water. YMMV
For anyone interested, the 60 etec runs 5766. The mistype was 3766. The 90 runs 7125.

Nuff on this issue...

A few people have asked via PM and on another thread about my status:

The latest info: Thursday, 01 Sept, the dealer I bought the 90 ETEC from called me. He was going out of town for the weekend and would be back Tuesday (today). He has a 60 and a 90 in stock. The 90 is a newer arrival in his stock and it is attached to a 17ft Key West Skiff. He said he has been out on it and it runs great. It is a 2006 w/300 hrs. I can trade for it and he will pay shipping both ways. I think the offer of a total refund is also still good. I sent him an email earlier today but have not heard back. I don't know if he was returning home today or getting back to work today. I plan to call him tomorrow if I don't hear from him. He went to Las Vegas, so I hope he is in a good mood tomorrow.

I did find a 1999 75HP Yamaha 2-stroke. That engine is 70lbs lighter than the ETEC too. But, I don't have a pallet to ship the ETEC on. I cut the original up and got rid of it. I would also need to buy Yamaha controls and cables if I bought that engine. So, until I talk to the dealer, I am not positive which way I'm going to go. I think the trade is definitely the easiest.

As for G5, I made my reservation back in February. Within the last couple of weeks a business meeting came up that I was going to miss. I have global responsibility for the largest segment of business in a division of my company which is why I've been in S Korea and Taiwan. It is tough missing meetings like that and since I had the issue with the motor, I decided I did not need to attend G5 Thurs-Sun as I had planned. For some reason, they never billed my credit card even after I called them again about that in June. That allowed me to cancel my three night booking without penalty. It is possible that I may make it at least one day.

I wish I had the boat in my garage right now. I could get all my gauges, stereo, grab handles and other misc stuff reinstalled, cleaned and polished. It is 62F outside right now. The rest of the week the forecast is 69F, 77F, 79F and 83F. Even cooler up in the mountains at the lake. We may have hit 100F here once this summer, but the mid to high 90s is too damn hot and not normal even in GA. If not for the ridiculous heat since June, I would have finished the boat and found out about the motor a lot earlier.

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2011 MALAHINI - KICKED IN THE HEAD

I wake up with a 16ft woody every morning
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=534DBtp1Cnc
Website: https://sites.google.com/site/2011malahini/

Good luck with whatever decision you make, Jeff. Hope you can make it to G5, even for just a day. Saturday is probably the best day, but any day is bound to be fun.

Roberta

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Roberta
Built Zip "Oliver IV" and Super Spartan "Jimmy 70"

I would still look at the E=Tec instead of going with the 90 two stroke Yamaha. Fuel burn is just one issue even though the 90 is and was a super engine, in my opinion and observation.

You have already fought the battle and appear to have a dealer support network close to you too. But what I would also recommend is that you get a report on the engine with its readings through the Evinrude network in hand before any engine gets shipped.

We also have several locals that we can ask in the Tampa area that can actually witness the engine's running ability and performance which would allow some measure of confidence before the you fight this battle again.

Frankly most of those saltwater engines in florida have a fair amount of use by comparison and it seems that this guy has some amount of turnover and resales from the information that you have provided to us. One thing that has always bothered me with high hour engines in the south is the trim workings.

These components almost always needs servicing if they have not been hosed and cleaned after use. If the boat that the engines come off of have been stored in a drystack, the history with any and all engines with trims is that the life is reduced. If you still have a bad taste in your mouth so to speak, frankly buying or even trading for another engine from the same outlet needs to be handled a bit different, even going to the extreme of paying a marine surveyor for a report. The four hundred buck fee, which is probably what you will spend to me would be worth the money.

The dealer down in FL emailed me this evening. He just got home from vacation. He said he would either trade engines or refund my money. So both offers are still valid. I also did some Googling today and found references to him on several boating forums. All posts were 100% positive. There was even another guy who had an engine that developed some problems and he was also given a refund.

My dilemma: Take the other 90 as an even trade or take the refund. The boating season is basically over so I could shop around. I could buy a new engine from my local dealer, but they don't have any 2011s. Their prices for 2012s are:
60HP $5,805 +tax
75HP $6925.50 +tax
90HP $7330.50 +tax

Here is the comparison:
60HP 240lbs 2-cylinder (rougher idle and probably a little noisier) With tax, it will still cost me $2153.
75HP 320lbs 3-cylinder
90Hp 320lbs 3-cylinder
So, the 75 just seems like a waste to me. It's the same weight as the 90 and $400 less. The big difference is $1120 between the 75 and the 60. The 15HP and 80lbs make the 60 much more attractive than the 75. But, Sam W here in GA tells me his 2-stroke 60HP Yamaha won't tow skis. That is running it on his old transom before he rebuilt it to accommodate the longer shaft and weight of his Yammy. I think having it at the proper height will improve his performance.

As I said in a previous post, taking the trade would be the easiest way. He'll send me another engine and I ship the one I have back to him. I have $4500 invested in the one I have including the controls.

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2011 MALAHINI - KICKED IN THE HEAD

I wake up with a 16ft woody every morning
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=534DBtp1Cnc
Website: https://sites.google.com/site/2011malahini/

I say go with the straight up trade. Keep it simple. That 90 will give that boat enough juice to pull skiers, tubers and carry a boat full of people. I agree that the price difference between the 75 and 90 is so minor that you may as well opt for the extra horseys.....plus.....i can continue to be jealous over that beautiful Etec!

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Built the 17' Glen-L "Sea Knight"

I'd take the trade... still going to be some risk but unless you want to buy new you are not going to elimate the risk. (New can have defects also).

Just ask the guy to go over it like it was his own engine BEFORE he ships it.

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Ian (aka Iggy)
My Malahini Build

Thanks for at least reconfirming that my local guy is beating or at least in line with their price of the new ones. Speaking about year models, if the engine is new the warranty is normally the same. I also know that Yamaha is offering the extended warranty without charge too, but have not checked to see if the e-tec is the same.

But getting back to comparing what an engine will do in regards to pulling a tube and the likes, the boat is still a small boat and you are asking the boat to do a lot, when you get right down to it. The yamahas are probably the last engine to have the guts and balls when comparing like engines. The earlier year engines always favored weight over guts and was a big selling point which gave up on some of the block sizes.

These size hulls have their limits . One thing that you can consider is if you go with the 90, you already have an engine for the bigger boat when you decide that you need a new one. [ducking now]

But in the area of the season is over, personally if I was in your position, I would want to close out this build and get the boat to a runable condition and finish detailing it out and get some use out of this boat. In regards to the idea if this boat will do everything that you are asking it to do too, no boat will ever do that even when you also overpower them when loading them down.

I post this, not necessarily to assist in your own decisions as it may not apply but for others coming along with their builds are looking for an engine in the used markets.
On another forum there is a fellow that has build a one off boat and using a small E-Tec. People under estimate the guts and performance of these engines when comparing them to the old two stroke engines. If you are going to use any oil=gas blended engine these days then using one of the new age two strokes of any stripe is the way to go, especially if you are attempting to maximize your dollars that you spend on these foolish pleasures.
This is the reason why I have personally moved away from even the Yamahas even the 90s that were pound of pound lighter with their three cylinder blocks.



I don't know his weight of the boat but there are simularities in size and weight, imo.

That boat looks quite similar in size. It also looks like it could have a little more free board than the Malahini, but I'm basing that off the high back front seats which are just sitting on the floor with no base under them. That's a 3-bow bimini top too, so it has to be about 5-6 ft long. I'd say it's definitely close in size. The performance at that elevation is impressive. I have an email from Alan Bates in Australia. He reported 42MPH with a Tohatsu 50HP.

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2011 MALAHINI - KICKED IN THE HEAD

I wake up with a 16ft woody every morning
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=534DBtp1Cnc
Website: https://sites.google.com/site/2011malahini/

There is just a lot to be said about the etecs even though I will refrain to drinking the etec kooliade. I am a huge fan of the no mixing of oil engines. The only downside that I am troubled with is the dealer network that seems to be lacking by comparison. Afterall outboard motors will need parts, service and hopefully parts that are not in scarce avaliability. I guess I am a bit old fashion in that way.

Got an email today from the boat yard down in FL. The engine he was going to send me also has a rusty tilt/trim motor. It is also a 2006 etec 90. He says that is a common issue with the etecs. He said he would order a new one and replace it and then send me that engine. He referred to it as his. I know it is on a skiff that he says he uses. Does this add up? There are several boating forums where he is mentioned in multiple threads. He always gets a 100% approval by everyone who posts. I like to think I'm that kind of upstanding guy in my business and personal dealings, but I've really never run across this from anyone else before. I'm really feeling funny about this. In my mind I've written off the $4000 I spent for the engine (excluding the $500 I spent on the controls). I can still buy a new 60 and use the controls I bought.

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2011 MALAHINI - KICKED IN THE HEAD

I wake up with a 16ft woody every morning
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=534DBtp1Cnc
Website: https://sites.google.com/site/2011malahini/

Where is he located in fL. Maybe one of us down here could check.

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John Amundsen
Monte Carlo
Winter Haven, FL

Maybe it will be done by G6 and maybe not.

He is in Tampa. He is shipping the replacement engine to the authorized Evinrude dealer that has had my boat for the last three weeks. So he knows it is going to be thoroughly checked out again. I'm actually more afraid now of the bill I'm going to get from the dealer that has my boat.

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2011 MALAHINI - KICKED IN THE HEAD

I wake up with a 16ft woody every morning
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=534DBtp1Cnc
Website: https://sites.google.com/site/2011malahini/

Frankly I don't see why a dealer would charge you for having your boat sit on the lot. I can surely see that they have to get paid for their hourly rate when working on it and as with all our own work has proven an hour is nothing when we are attempting to accomplish anything. I would also find out where you are at right now, and if you are worried go over this with the guy in Tampa before that engine leaves Florida, case closed.

Surprises like a dozen hours or whatever you are at now at labor rates of an approved dealer when you can't really see anything thats been done, is not good. Of course we know work has been done but you are not running and this makes things hard to swallow for all of us.

Get a surveyor now in Florida as this makes a lot of sense given where you are at now. That money will be well spent before than engine gets to Georgia and you spend many more hours wading through this. Or just go ahead and get you money back and look closer with a clear head and a fatter wallet. Afterall that 5766 figure is looking better all the time if this boat was mine and in the same situation or even the price from your local guy. The only added charge should be for rigging, which you will pay anyway on this used one/ But event that should not be that much since you have everything else rigged, such as the controls and cables. I can rig that type of engine in less than two hours tops..