Aussie Belle

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Milhouse » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:13 am

Aussie wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:06 am
Have you got any info on the wiring schematics need to do this?
I have attached a slimmed down version of my schematic that only shows the portion relevant to the ignition and Neutral Safety Switch below.

My entire schematic is here

Do you have an ignition relay or are you running the starter solenoid directly from the ignition switch?
How much current does your starter solenoid draw?
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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Aussie » Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:29 pm

Hi Milhouse,

I am running no relay between ignition and starter, so that would mean I would run the cable to the starter solenoid through the neutral safety switch

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Jimbob » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:15 pm

Sounds right to me.
Here are a couple of schematics below:
Fyi Ignition wiring is normally yellow with a red stripe.
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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Roberta » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:25 pm

Don't know what helm controller you have, But I installed one from SeaStar that has a neutral safety switch and also an ignition cut off. The neutral safety switch prevents starts in gear and the ignition cut off is a clip that attaches to a switch (deadman) that opens the ignition circuit. The clip is attached to the helmsman via a coiled cable lanyard so if the helmsman is somehow ejected, the clip is pulled and deadens the ignition circuit. I also have a neutral safety switch on the Velvet Drive transmission. This can be used instead of a helm mounted one or in series together. My Crusader engine and transmission package came pretty much pre-wired and uses the switch in the transmission, so I have two neutral switches in series. I ran the starter wire from the ignition switch through the helm Neutral Sw. and then to the wire loom supplied by Crusader to the engine. The ignition wire was also run to the helm to the deadman sw. Below is a pic of my helm and the red lanyard attached to the deadman switch.

God Speed you recovery and hope all goes well.

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Milhouse » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:29 pm

Aussie wrote:
Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:29 pm
I am running no relay between ignition and starter, so that would mean I would run the cable to the starter solenoid through the neutral safety switch
It will probably work to just wire it as you have mentioned, but I can't tell you if it will last.

I recommend measuring the current draw of your starter solenoid (when I say Starter Solenoid I am referring to the actual plunger of the starter. Note that in Jim's second pic above that "solenoid" is actually the solenoid relay like you have on old cars). I can't find the current rating of the Velvet Drive Switch. So if your starter solenoid is pulling more than a few amps (mine pulls 30A!) I recommend adding a relay to the circuit to protect both the Neutral safety switch and Ignition contacts. Else you will be replacing them or worse yet get stuck on the water if they fail at a bad time.

Electrical Safety is important too (I hear that most boat fires are electrical related) so I assume you have followed good practices with fusing and wire gauge selection.

Roberta's setup is nice as well if you have a fancier helm like that :)

Another forum posts on the question if a relay is needed or not.
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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by jenko » Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:21 pm

I run a relay for mine common auto practice to keep low current through control switches :D

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Roberta » Wed Jul 24, 2019 4:48 am

A relay should be installed in the starter circuit ahead of the starter solenoid and controlled by the start terminal on the ignition switch. As Jenko and others have mentioned, it relieves the large load on the ignition switch and also prevents voltage spikes from entering the ignition switch caused by the collapsing magnetic field in the solenoid. My Crusader engine is equipped with said relay from the factory. There is also an ignition relay and a fuel pump relay for the fuel injection system.

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Evan » Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:45 am

glad everyone is ok.

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by mrintense » Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:04 pm

Wow, Jamie,

I can just imagine the horror of that moment. Feels like everything that could go wrong does go wrong and you feel like your life is over at that moment. Extremely glad your daughter wasn't injured and hope you are feeling better. The boat will be repairable and then you can enjoy it. Second time will be a charm. :)
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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Aussie » Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:47 pm

Hi all,

Thanks for the kind words and the advice in regards to wiring up the neutral safety.

I will indeed put a relay in line before the switch.

I am still moping around at the moment, still pretty sore and can only rest flat on my back when I lay down. But we are all alive and my daughters are keen to get back out there.

Awaiting material quotes for insurance and then I will get into the repairs (so glad I hadn’t dismantled the dolly I built her on)

In the mean time I will continue with the covering of the seats.

Jamie

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by ian bell » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:15 pm

Hi Jamie, Sorry to hear about your little mishap. Every one OK now ,how is Mum and Dad? Boat looked really good. You are a Master.
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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Aussie » Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:47 pm

Thanks Ian,

All is well, I am recovering but got struck down with this flue going around and tore another muscle I my rib area when I coughed!

Mum and Dad are ok and been busy with there gardens and animals.

Still awaking insurance to be finalised so I can do the repairs.

Can’t wait to finish and get her back on the water.

Boat was such a pleasure to drive and so much fun.

Hope to all catch up one day.

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Aussie » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:10 pm

Hi,

Have uploaded a video from the day of testing, Prior to the incident!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWRqgDzK9eI

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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by hoodman » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:51 am

Looks great! You'll get back there.
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Re: Aussie Belle

Post by Gayle Brantuk » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:29 am

Awesome Jamie! Onward and upward.

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