Matt's Geronimo

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Re: Another Geronimo Coming Soon

Postby hoodman » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:21 pm

I need some stain gurus to help me out here. I have two sapele boards that I was intending to use for coamings. Turns out I'm an idiot and picked out one that is significantly lighter than all the other boards that I bought. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions on a stain color that might work based on the following picture:
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Minwax cherry seems to be the closest out of what I have on hand but it just doesn't seem to redden it up enough. Minwax red mahogany is really not even close.

The other thing I am heavily leaning towards is just going and buying another board of sapele that matches better and use this one somewhere it won't be seen.

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby Jimbob » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:40 pm

Hi Matt,
I used interlux criscraft mahogany #573 filler stain. (one of the best stains I have found) The most important thing I think is to use filler stain or gel stain not the thin stuff. If you look at my build pictures you can see the reddish color on my boat. I had light sapele planks on my rear deck next to the hatch covers. It all came out the same for me.
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Here are the lighter boards I was talking about
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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby hoodman » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:05 pm

Jim, Did you stain everything or just the light ones to match? One thing I don't want to do is cover up the grain of the wood because it is quite stunning on the darker boards. Another question, the sapele is the "field" on your boat or the darker king planks and cover boards?

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby Jimbob » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:14 pm

Matt,
The whole boat is sapele. I stained the whole boat. The king planks are sapele stained with dark walnut stain. The grain shows through just fine once you put the clearcoat on top. Here's a picture of some sapele scraps that were stained and varnished to use as practice for my caulking. If you enlarge them, you will see the grain.
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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby vupilot » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:48 pm

I never seem to be able to find the color I want when trying to match non-stained mahogany. Ive had good luck though mixing stain colors to make a custom one. Just make sure you write down the ratio of each so you can repeat the process when needed. Usually "Gunstock" color is the base, mixed with something red and a couple drops of something dark to match a non-stained mahogany color.

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby TomB » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:32 pm

Matt,

Epoxy does not adhere well to Minwax oil based stain. See the attached test done by the guys at West Systems, https://epoxyworks.com/index.php/epoxy- ... er-stains/. It also says Minwax water based and gel stains are ok.

I plan to use Interlux stain (someday :roll: ).

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby hoodman » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:25 pm

Thanks so much for responding, everybody! I took another look at the boards I have. I think I will be able to make one of the other ones work if I reduce the height of the coaming by 1/4". The design for the Geronimo calls for the coaming to stick up above the sheer line by 3". If I reduce that to 2 3/4" I can use another board that matches. Thinking about it I just really don't want to stain this wood it just looks so nice with a little water on it. I'll use the light colored board for floorboard battens.

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby hoodman » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:48 pm

Setting the dash in place temporarily. Tilting it at an angle complicates things but I think will be worth it in the end. Time to do a little fairing.

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby joshuab » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:30 pm

Looking great matt.
I cut twice and it's still too short :mrgreen:

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby bobinpowayca » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:41 pm

Looking good Matt. I'll tell you a story about my dash - I spent a lot of time going through 5/4 african mahogany to get the prettiest grain pattern I could find, and more time to get the nicest piece to complement that pattern for the extension I added under the wheel. All the holes cut and six or seven coats of epifanes. But then I realized with my shoulder issues I had to switch it from right hand drive to left hand drive. The good thing was I hadn't glued it in yet, so I unscrewed it and just flipped it laterally, and voila, left hand drive :D :lol: . The bad thing was I now have the crappy side of the board showing :lol: Oh well I've got about a dozen coats of varnish on it and lots of shiny gauges but...
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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby hoodman » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:51 am

Bob, I was just thinking the other day how nice I thought your dash looked.

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby Bill Edmundson » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:04 pm

Bob

If your helm is left you should have a left hand prop.

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby Milhouse » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:33 pm

Tilting it at an angle complicates things but I think will be worth it in the end.


My tilted dash was a huge pain because I wanted to make it removable. I like the tilt but be prepared for a lot more complications (at least if you want it removable).
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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby hoodman » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:25 pm

No need for it to be removable in my case. So I'll be glueing it in as soon as I can settle on a bottom profile for it. Then fair the top and make blocking for the battens and strong back.

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Re: Matt's Geronimo

Postby BarnacleMike » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:37 am

Your Geronimo is looking great, Matt! That's a gorgeous piece of wood you chose for the dash. I really like the grain pattern.
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