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Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:50 pm
by jamundsen
Glen L has a book on this very subject. It should answer your question much better than I can.

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:52 pm
by Bill Edmundson
That is a really good book. It answers many other questions, too.

Bill

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:58 pm
by jamundsen
Also Ken had a great idea that I didnt do but wish i had. Offset the shaft enough to clear the rudder post so you can remove it without taking the rudder off. Maybe it was offset the rudder. I cant remember. Any way Ken will chime in on that.

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:59 pm
by Bill Edmundson
Yes. Offset the rudder, half the shaft diameter plus half the rudder thickness. I can't remember which way, right now. But, it reduces prop-walk, which is the way the boat wants to pull, left or right, underway.

Bill

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:28 pm
by 18shamic
I think that would depend on the engine's rotation. But either way I have some reading to do :D . There aren't that many questions right now, but i am sure more will come.

Thanks,
Michael

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:27 pm
by 18shamic
Does anybody know where to buy CPES?

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:30 pm
by Bill Edmundson
Michael

I'm not a fan of CPES. But, I used some today. Jamestown Dist. has it. Many boat supply stores have it.

Bill

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:22 pm
by kens
jamundsen wrote:Also Ken had a great idea that I didnt do but wish i had. Offset the shaft enough to clear the rudder post so you can remove it without taking the rudder off. Maybe it was offset the rudder. I cant remember. Any way Ken will chime in on that.


Yes, all of the above,
Offset rudder helps reduce torque steer at the helm, and, you can pull the shaft without interfering with the rudder.
You must offset in the correct direction for your prop rotation.

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:11 pm
by sscobra
The best CPES in my opinion is made by Smith. Jamestown sells their own brand, called Total Boat. I have used both and both work. Smith's CPES penetrates much better than the Total Boat version, but its one downside is the smell. You should use it in a well ventilated area. The Total Boat version penetrates well if you add alcohol or acetone but leaves a much rougher surface, which is a minor problem. It is also almost odorless. When I covered my stain on the sides of the boat, I used Smith's version. When Jamestown stopped carrying it, I tried their version on hull penetrations and other parts inside the hull. When I do my decking, I will go back to the Smith's version because it penetrates so much better and I know it works over the stain. Do a google search for it. A couple of places that I know carry the Smith version is Defender.com and vintagetrailersupply.com. The Smith website is smithandcompany.org. When you drill your rudder hole, offset it to the opposite side that your helm will be on. I have a right helm, so I offset my rudder about one inch to the left of keel center. Skip

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:35 pm
by chugalug
:D My CPES came from the Rot Doctor out of Seattle.Just search Rot Doctor.The can looked exactly like can of Smith's;it was a little cheaper.The first gallon kit came from west coast.The other kit came from down south.wear respirator-powerfull stuff.

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 3:39 am
by neel thompson
For a motor with "standard rotation" (rotates counter clockwise as looking at it from behind), you offset the rudder to starboard and install the steering to port. At least that's what I did and seems to work. Best of luck with your Riviera build. I love that boat's lines.... Neel

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:56 am
by 18shamic
Thank You for everything!
Quick Update: we have flipped the boat back over without hurting the boat or anyone: and right now its a little but boxed in, because we are moving things around in the Garage to accommodate for the project. I have ordered Sandusky Stains and CPES from vintage trailer supply - and I am about to order the Glen-L Inboard Motor Installations book. I think I am going to paint the hull Dark Green - But thats a month or two in the future. I cant do much on the boat right now, but have started to sand down the hull with 220 (by hand). But I have been making rolling Tables to help with storage and such.

Thanks,
Michael

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:40 pm
by 18shamic
Hi,
So while looking at the plans, me and my dad had come up with some questions. He and I were hoping that we could see boat as inspiration, to find how you did some of the little things. If anybody would be willing to let me see your boat, i would be grateful.

Thanks,
Michael

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:00 pm
by 18shamic
Hi,
So a quick update, I spent 17 hours last weekend applying three coats of San dusky Dark Walnut Stains. I love the result - I decided to put one coat on the bottom - because I had done the test on one half of the bottom, and I had enough extra stain to do the other half. I do not have much time to work this weekend, but i hope to fix a few cracks. Next weekend i hope to put two coats of CPES on.

Thanks,
Michael

Re: Highschool Riviera Build Project

Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:42 pm
by sscobra
Looking good! After you put on the CPES, wait at least 4 days for it to cure fully before putting any epoxy over it. I only put one coat of CPES over the Interlux stain that I used. The Interlux stain is a filler stain so it fills what little open grain mahogany has. I am not familiar with the Sandusky stains so I don't know if they fill the grain like the Interlux does. You may only need one coat of CPES as I did. You will be able to tell when you apply it. If it leaves a shine then it won't soak in anymore. Since I have only ever used one coat of CPES, I don't know how long you should wait to apply the second coat or whether you should sand between coats. Skip