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Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:39 pm
by BobBrown55
I started my Belle Isle build almost 7 years ago (!) and have not made much progress over the past 4 years. Life changes! Now, I’m getting back to it a bit. This forum has been a great help to me so far, and I know I’ll need more help to get to launch. Also, I hope this will help other builders, as other builders’ posts have helped me. So, I started this topic.

One thing that slowed my progress was getting a tool to drill the prop shaft hole. Fortunately, a couple engineers at work helped me and I got that done in June.

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It came through pretty clean.

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Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:53 pm
by BobBrown55
I’ve also made progress recently on getting the Belle ready to stain. The sides and transom have all been sanded with 80, 120, and 220 grit. That may be overkill based on re-viewing a couple of Townsend videos, but It can’t hurt. (Turns out it can hurt; see comments below.). Here’s what she looks like.

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Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:25 am
by DrBryanJ
Bob: She looks really nice. What type of stain are you using? 220 may be too fine. My stain manufacturer recommends no finer than 150. Says wood won't pick up stain well with finer.

Bryan

Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:26 am
by vupilot
Looking great!

Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:48 am
by BayouBengal
I don't know what a Townsend video is, but your planking looks outstanding and from best I can tell your hull looks very well faired. Does it really even need to be stained?

Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:40 am
by BobBrown55
BayouBengal wrote:I don't know what a Townsend video is, but your planking looks outstanding and from best I can tell your hull looks very well faired. Does it really even need to be stained?


Bayou, Thanks for your comments. Townsend offers a series of DVD’s on boat building. I’ve found the ones on finishing to be helpful. Here’s his website: http://www.townsendboatworks.com/dvds_f ... _tutorails

I don’t like the wide variety of color in the mahogany I used. I hope the stain will even it out.

Thanks,

Bob

Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:01 am
by BobBrown55
DrBryanJ wrote:Bob: She looks really nice. What type of stain are you using? 220 may be too fine. My stain manufacturer recommends no finer than 150. Says wood won't pick up stain well with finer.

Bryan


Bryan, Thanks for your comments, especially on the sandpaper grit. I’m using Interlux Interstain. Sure enough, the product data sheet says, “BARE WOOD Sand with 80 grade (grit) paper. Sand smooth. Sanding with too fine a sanding paper will not allow Interstain* to penetrate into the wood.”

I was going with what I’d learned in a boat finishing class, but that was for varnish, and I hadn’t realized stain would be different. I’ll run a test on a scrap, but it sounds like I may need to go back and ‘rough it up.’

Thanks!

Bob


Update: I ran a test on scrap wood, one piece sanded to 80 grit and one to 220, and applied stain to both. I couldn't tell any difference. Both seemed to absorb the stain just fine. So, I went ahead and stained the boat as it was, finely sanded. See pics below in another post.

Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 10:06 am
by Bill Edmundson
Bob

I think most epoxy also says 80 grit.

Bill

Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:14 pm
by BobBrown55
Big milestone: I stained her! I really like the way it turned out! (I wish I'd been able to get wood that was more similar in grain and color, but it is what it is...)

I used Interlux Interstain
#42 Brown Mahogany (1X)
#573 Chris Craft Mahogany (2X) (2 pints #573 / 1 pint #42)

Thinned with #333 Brush Liquid. Townsend’s video says he mixes this 50 / 50 with the stain, but that seemed too thin to me. My mix was more like 30 / 70, and it worked fine.


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Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:30 pm
by Roberta
Looks great.. i love the natural shading. The stain sets it off.

Roberta

Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:26 pm
by BobBrown55
Nest step is sealing with CPES, then fiberglass.

Question on the fiberglass process: I’ve used West Systems epoxy so far, and have liked it and gotten used to it. However, I’ve heard others say there are better epoxies for fiberglass, since it needs to be clear.

Recommendations?

Update: Never mind. I reviewed my notes and found a post from Bob Perkins where he recommended MAS epoxy, so I ordered that. One added benefit, the MAS website had a good video of a guy fiberglassing a kayak. Though I’ve done it before, it was helpful to see that.

Re: Bob Brown’s Belle

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 7:53 pm
by Bill Edmundson
Bob

I've become sensitive to epoxy. I've used MAS with slow hardener with good luck. West is really good. I used it on the Tahoe.

Bill