Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:54 pm

Gayle, I prefer the plans from Glen-l over the printed pdf plans. I know copyright is a big deal with the plans and that one set of plans is for building one boat. These pdf files can be emailed to anyone, so protecting the plans would be much more difficult. And yes, the printing costs as much as a full set of plans from Glen-L. I found another difference in the PB 22 plans compared to Glen-L. When I built the Gentry, there was one full size drawing for the deck beams. That is they all had the same crown. So I made one pattern for the deck beams and used it over and over. On this boat there about four different crowns on the deck beams, depending on their location. So you really need a pattern for each beam.

So I finished making patterns for all of the frames, transom, and stem. I still have to make patterns for about eight deck beams. Patterns for the engine hatch pieces will come much later. My next step is to build the transom. I took horrible pictures of the transom mahogany and the patterns I have so far. I will post them, but as you can see, photography is not my thing!!!
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby kens » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:16 pm

Neel,
You definitely have enough frames and pieces to stretch this to a beam/length ratio of about 4:1 or even 4.5:1
24' on a 6' beam would run like the proverbial scalded cat.
and it would slice thru the chop rather than pound over it.!!!!

When it comes to performance, Long & Lean is where it's at !!!............just like a needle with a BBC in it.
Oak is over rated, everything about it takes extra time; then it warps, splits or checks !!! :roll:

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:57 am

I started this morning turning that pile of mahogany into a transom. I actually had some wood left from the Gentry build, so I glued up three pieces to make the forward lower transom piece. This piece goes side to side with a notch in the bottom for the keel. The bottom has a very slight "V" at this point along the hull. When it gets back to the lower transom edge, it is almost flat.

Ken... I'm thinking 23'. I will have to build a temporary extension to my garage. That shouldn't be too hard to do. Looking at the plans, it seems to me that going aft from the bow, the stretch shouldn't start until I get to the forward frame in the engine compartment. I think from that frame to the transom there are 9 spaces that could be stretched from the design. If I increase the distance between each frame/mid frame by 1 1/4", that would make the hull just shy of 23'.... Fortunately I don't have to make that decision right now.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:21 am

This is a picture of a transom that is almost completed. The lower piece is the one I will make first. Looks like some creative limbers will be going in this area.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:08 am

This morning I cut and notched the piece that goes between the transom knees. Then I couldn't resist, so I clamped some pieces along with pattern pieces together to get an idea of how everything will eventually go together. Still a little confused about the transom width measurement along the bottom. If I keep looking at the plans it should make sense at some point. Just not now.....
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:21 am

I have been working on gluing up the pieces for the transom. I have completed the transom knee component. It's all starting to make sense, but not complete sense !!
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby TomB » Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:25 am

Neel,

I think I see limbers cut in the knees. The question for the ages, "does the limber location belong forward or aft?": while accelerating, the water will slosh aft so the limber should be aft; while running the keel will be level and limber location doesn't matter; and, while at rest the transom will be slightly higher than the adjacent frame and the limber should be forward. It looks like you will be accelerating or at least running, I like your style.

Tom

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby Bill Edmundson » Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:38 am

Neel

This transom doesn't look that heavy to me, lots of parts. I don't know the Gentry build up. Here is a picture of the Tahoe 19 build up. Both, top and bottom have that heavy laminated build up. That makes transom drains impractical.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:10 am

Tom... I put the limbers aft so it will drain while moving as well as when it is on a trailer....

Bill... I actually put two garboard drain plugs in the bottom of my Gentry rather than through the transom, very close to the transom, and one on each side of the keel. They don't hinder performance at all, but are a little bit of a pain to take out and put it. The plugs are bronze and are removed with an allen wrench. I think this boat could have them either through the transom or the bottom. The transom structural framing shouldn't be in the way like it is on the Tahoe.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby psychobilly » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:15 pm

This is what I have just in front of motor, easy access and no tools required.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:32 am

This morning I shaped the front transom piece that goes side to side, used a dado to put limbers in, and glued it to the transom assembly... I am also working on laminating mahogany pieces to form the upper curved transom piece. That piece curves from side to side as well as top to bottom. A slightly challenging task...
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:41 am

I've been working on gluing up and shaping (in two planes) the top piece that forms the top of the transom. Band saw and sanding station were extremely helpful here. I have also glued four boards together that will be used to make the curved laminations of the two transom sides. This transom is a real bugger to build. There is a full size drawing of the two planes for the upper piece, and several other pages with pictures and dimensions for the transom. Plenty of material to help make it easier. However, the dimensions are slightly different on each of the pages and none exactly match the full size drawings. So I emailed the company where I got the plans and he answered me with a statement that confused me even more. I have spent a lot of time sorting this thing out in my head, and I think because it has so many curves, each with a different radius, that each dimension could look wrong, but when the whole think is temporarily clamped, most of the dimensions are correct. So I think I've got it now....Time will tell.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:43 am

I have been working on the transom curved side pieces. I made a pattern for the router with a radius of 20 11/16. I figured out the radius using a CAD program as it is not specified in the plans. Each piece needs to be almost 6" across as it will also curve slightly forward as it goes from the top cross member to the bottom one. And to further complicate things, it also will have a slight twist to it. It is very hard to visualize until it starts going together. Anyway, each of the curved side pieces are made up of 8 laminations which include four pieces of 1" thick mahogany, three pieces of 3/8" marine ply, and one piece of 1/4" Okoume ply. I have dry fitted them and they are ready for glue up.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby Steven r » Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:56 pm

Hi Neel,
I am not serprized hand made boat. That is going to be a super looking transom. Watching with interest.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:22 am

Curved side pieces are glued up and rough sanded. Now they will have to be shaped with a curve and a twist going top to bottom. Then they have to be fitted so at the top, it goes under the top piece, and at the bottom, it goes outside of the bottom piece. This may be a clamping nightmare.
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