Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby mrintense » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:53 am

Neel,

These are looking good. I am having a bit of trouble trying to visualize the end result, but the workmanship looks good. You making good progress. A regular boat building machine!! :D :D
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:43 am

Here is a picture that was included with the plans of the part I am working on now. Maybe it will help you visualize the bends and twists. This is not my transom, just hopefully what it will look like when I finish this part of the task. Then after the side pieces are in, it gets two battens which go around the back from side to side. One will be at the very bottom and the other about half way up. The transom knees have been notched for the battens.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby Bill Edmundson » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:55 am

WOW :!: :shock: Can wood actually do that :?:

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:05 am

So far Bill, I can't get it to do that !! Angles and curves everywhere !!

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby Bill Edmundson » Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:24 am

Neel

You can do it! This is certainly not first time build! My approach would be to cut fat, then use my belt sander to cut off the stuff that is not boat.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:42 pm

Great minds think alike.....Let's see how it turns out

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby Steven r » Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:46 pm

Neel,
Are you pleased with the plans? So far.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:41 pm

Steve..... I am satisfied with the plans but, as I have said, everything is there and you have to look for it. As far as the transom goes, the plans are somewhat lacking. I had to use a CAD program to figure out the radius on two different parts. I was also missing a couple critical measurements. After two email exchanges, I did receive some clarification. One thing that would really be helpful is a list of materials like Glen-L gives you with their plans. Some instructions would be nice as well. To sum it up, a very nice and very strong boat can be built with these plans, but for a "first build", I would stick with Glen-L

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby Steven r » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:07 pm

Neel,
There's me thinking of making 9 frames without planes? I have seen yours! :lol:
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:02 am

I spent about two hours this morning fitting the port transom side curved piece. I took a little off here and a little off there until it fit nicely where it belongs... It is very hard to clamp it in place because of the curves. So now I have to do the starboard side and then figure out how to finish sand each one with a twist from top to bottom. The outside side radius is correct so that won't require any sanding. I'm thinking to glue it all together and then attack the whole thing with a belt sander until it is right. I have time to try to come up with a better way.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby kens » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 am

is that outside curve a concave??
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:13 am

I don't know where you might think it is concave. If you look at the profile from front to back, the outside radius is correct. If you look at it from the side, you can see how it has to be sanded with a twist from the curved top piece to match the straight bottom piece. I think you could have come up with a much simpler design Ken

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:01 pm

I fitted the starboard side piece to the transom and glued it in place. It will take some belt sanding to get the "twist" in it. The port side piece will get glued in tomorrow.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby PeterG » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:46 pm

Nice job, lots of custom tweaking.
What I find interesting is it would have been so much easier if there was a bottom curved/bowed member between the transom and the bottom, it would have followed the same curve of the top member, just longer. It would have meant minimal twist in the port and starboard curved pieces you are now fitting. And it would have been structurally more sound as it would back up the intersection of the transom planking and bottom planking with something other than a 1/2" or so batten on edge. Look at the Monaco and Riviera transoms and see how those are put together for comparison. Or even the Chris Craft Barrelbacks. I have to wonder, is what you have the original Nelson Zimmer designed structure or is it the CAD guy's (mis) interpretation? Woodenboat Magazine sells plans for this boat too, no patterns and you loft it yourself. I'm curious to see how they compare?
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:19 pm

Peter, I think the plans are a combination of the original drawings brought somewhat up to date with CAD programs. I have looked at the plans from Wooden Boat and they look very much the same. Just they do require lofting which I am not into.... As far as strength of the transom goes, the side to side battens are almost 3/4" thick material, laminated in three 1/4" pieces. Also the keel, stringers, and the bottom battens do attach to the bottom transom side to side batten which will make it very strong, I think. The method you suggested would also work and probably would have been a lot less complicated.


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