Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby DrBryanJ » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:47 am

Why would that make everyone happy? We love pictures and your work is amazing!
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:36 pm

Thanks Bryan

I had all the mahogany milled to 7/8" thickness for frames 9,8,7, and 6. I am starting with frame 9. First, I cleaned my shop up some and then set up my construction table. I stapled the full size drawing of frame 9 to the table and stapled clear plastic over the drawing. Then I checked the patterns for correctness. Everything looks good, so tomorrow I will start working on the mahogany.

I thought using 7/8 material (as per the plans) was an overkill. The price difference over 3/4 was minimal, so I went with 7/8 thickness. I think to do all the frames with 7/8 material will only cost about $120 more. I remember now from my Gentry that the cost of wood is a smaller part of the overall cost. So no skimping here. At least not for now.....
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby kens » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:41 pm

Does that plans set count frame stations from the transom as #9, and #1 is at the bow?
Oak is over rated, everything about it takes extra time; then it warps, splits or checks !!! :roll:

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:00 am

Yes Ken.... #9 is the first full frame forward of the transom. There are also partial frames between the full frames and they are numbered 9.5, 8.5, etc. The partial frames don't have sides, just the bottom section running from chine to chine.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:14 am

All pieces for frame nine have been cut slightly larger all the way around. Then the two-sided carpet tape is applied and the pattern goes on top. Everything is now ready for the router.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:53 am

I got all pieces routed and I did a final fitting over the plans before gluing. I had to do a very small amount of sanding to get a perfect fit. I used #10 biscuits on all four joints and glued it up with thickened epoxy. Tomorrow I will glue and ring nail the gussets on the corners on both sides of the frame. And then on to frame #8. Exciting!!!
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby TomB » Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:49 am

Neel,

Very exciting.

I like your approach to clamping. Short of jointed a board, there is almost always a little twist in each piece. By using blocks to clamp the boards to the table you've not only stopped them from moving, you've also taken out the twist. And, with bar clamps there is a tendency to roll the clamped pieces out of flat. It would be hard to go wrong following your example.

Tom

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby PeterG » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:22 pm

OK so this should be the platinum standard for how to build frames. The pairs of wood "straps" holding each piece to the construction board, the use of biscuits at the joints is genius, and the clamping arrangement. Nicely done!
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby Steven r » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:17 am

Neel,
Looking great! Did you get offsets with your plans?
Regards Steve.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:20 am

Thanks Tom and Peter

Steve.... No offsets with plans. There is no need to loft anything

Now on to frame #8

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby slug » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:29 am

Nee; Been following this build from the start and I have just realized something.(Other than your incredible workmanship!)

This in not so much a tutorial on building a Palm Beach, but a first rate detailed tutorial on building a wooden boat....Period. ANY wooden boat.

Readers will be thankful for years to come!

Thanks for this; Doug......Builder of several boats including Titan and Gentry.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:44 am

Doug.... I followed many builds as I was building my Gentry and found out how helpful this forum is. I can't imagine building your first boat without advice from others. Also, I have followed Roberta's three builds along with the refinishing job she did on her Zip. Her threads have been so much help to others and her attention to detail is amazing to me. So I thought I would document this build better than I did my first, hoping others would find the information useful. We will see. Thanks for the compliment.

Moving on... As I said, frame #9 is finished and I have started working on #8. I have checked the patterns against the plan drawing, traced the patterns onto the mahogany, and now to the band saw. I use a wide sharpie to do the tracing and cut just outside of the marks. The excess will be routed off with the patterning bit.

Back to it !!
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby Steven r » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:56 am

Neel,
The more I see you do the more I like it!!
Regards Steve.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby TomB » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:02 am

Oh no!!!

The lumber is too narrow...by 1/2"...back to the lumber yard...or...add a bit from the scrap pile down by the keel. No affect structurally.

Thanks for showing it Neel.

Tom

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

Postby neel thompson » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:23 am

I have glued frame 8 together and am working on the gussets. I have started frame 7 by again checking the patterns against the full size drawing. Then I transferred the pattern outlines to the mahogany. It is now ready for the band saw. I am going to work on two frames at a time as that will maximize the use of epoxy. I really don't like to throw perfectly good left over epoxy away when I could use it somewhere else. I suspect if you use this technique for an entire boat build, you would save at least a gallon of epoxy.
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