Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Thanks to Matt, Gayle, and Carl.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Bill Edmundson wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:07 am
I see you and I have the same problem... Everything that is flat enough that things don't fall off becomes a table! :lol:
HaHa, I feel the same way with my Overnighter build. I keep piling stuff on till it slides off ;) Its a terrible table, maybe I should turn it into a boat!
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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G’day all,
great progress Neel, I knew you’d return to your build. I am also building the palm beach 22 and powering it with a 8.1 big block. Could you give me any advise on the gearbox ratio required for this hull / engine combo? I am getting a lot of different suggestions from the local shops here in oz, Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Daryl,, I am really not an expert on gear box ratios, but many on the forum here are. I think they will be asking for the approximate horsepower, desired top speed, max rpm of the motor, finished weight and length of the boat, etc. I'm sure they will chime in here. Best of luck with your build...Do you have pictures posted somewhere? I love the lines of the PB.... Neel

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Daryl wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:13 am
G’day all,
great progress Neel, I knew you’d return to your build. I am also building the palm beach 22 and powering it with a 8.1 big block. Could you give me any advise on the gearbox ratio required for this hull / engine combo? I am getting a lot of different suggestions from the local shops here in oz, Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
For that, I wouldn't use a gear ratio. I would run a 1:1.
That build is narrow on the beam and long, along with a big block 8.1L, you will see speeds very well north of 40mph. If one of you guys told me you getting 55mph, I would not be surprised.
The recommended shaft speed is about 100rpm per every mile per hour boat speed (give or take a bit)
Hence 45mph =4500rpm; 50mph=5000rpm; that will put you right at a 1:1 gear.
Oak is over rated, everything about it takes extra time; then it warps, splits or checks !!! :roll:

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Thanks Kens, I had a feeling that someone in here would be able to point me in the right direction.

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Well I made it with the second layer back to the transom on both sides and have about seven feet on each side to go at the bow. Then I will double up the transom ply and start the final layer on the on the aft 2/3 of the bottom. I am going to use 6mm mahogany planking so the hull will end up being 3/4" thick all the way around. It's all coming back to me as to how slow this cold molding process can be. I have been running the garage heat until the epoxy cures as temps have been in the 40's around here during the day. Sorry about how my garage looks !!
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Neel

The garage looks fine to me. And, that fancy table that you have everything piled on is looking good!

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Looks good buddy,
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One long boat Neel!

She's really shaping up.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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I love it Neel. Compared to mine your garage is immaculate.
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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Thanks guys... Back to it today

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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For the curing in cool temps, have you tried to lay a electric blanket on it to keep it warm?
Oak is over rated, everything about it takes extra time; then it warps, splits or checks !!! :roll:

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Neel,

She is coming along and looking good. So for the cold molded layers after the first layer, do you use regular epoxy like poxy grip or laminating epoxy like poxy shield?

Lee

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Re: Neel's Palm Beach 22 build

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Lee,

This is the procedure I use for everything.... First, I use West System epoxy and hardeners. I mix up a batch (usually fast hardener this time of year), and coat both surfaces to be glued, usually using a foam roller. Then I thicken the epoxy with West System 404 (High Density Adhesive Filler) to about the consistency of thick mayonnaise. I brush that on one of the surfaces with a HF chip brush (with bristles cut down to about 1" with scissors). Then I mate the two surfaces and clamp, screw, staple through rope, or any other combination of things to hold it together. That's about it. After everything is clamped tight, I take a putty knife and use the leftover adhesive epoxy to fill holes and other voids until it is all gone.. Then I have a beer to celebrate !! Neel

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