Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by billy c » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:47 pm

Jim Tom Peter-
Thanks for your ideas on cleaning up the grooves. I have a Dremel tool and have used it on pretty fine detail like the rosette inlay on guitar tops, but had little confidence I could keep the base and fence in such a shallow groove. I looked at the grout saw as Tom mentioned and liked the fact I could control that better. Looked around the shop and found a few blades that might work like the grout saw and lo and behold I made amazing progress using a bimetal blade handheld to clean the groove! Thanks so much for that. Followed up with my sandpaper and got a finished section done. Pete I appreciate the heat idea and know that works well with epoxy too so did not want to chance softening that component along with the LPU.
Bill- thanks for being there. I suspect many of these builders will be looking at our reworks as their finishes degrade. Hope they can draw from our adventures.

Tom Thanks for the compliment on the Boating Directory for Winnipesaukee. It came as a surprise to me as usually the cover is of some overpowered plastic boat :D
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by billy c » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:48 pm

Here is the System Three LPU that sat with very little adhesion in the groove after sanding
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Bimetal saw blade bottom in photo that worked well. Might even buy a sharp blade tomorrow :lol:
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Finished area ready for stain. About a mile of grooves left to do
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by Milhouse » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:02 pm

I love my Fein OMT and they make a bit for this job Vid here

Auf Deutch

it has a hook on the end so you don't gouge the wood I guess, I have not tried this.

I see these other vids:

Vid 1

Vid 2

Congrats on the Boating cover that is AWESOME!
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by billy c » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:21 pm

Thanks for the video Jim. that looks like a real good tool for reaming out those grooves. Will keep that in mind. may look great for me after a few more days of this :lol:
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by Milhouse » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:44 pm

Its one of those tools that I didn't think I would ever need (seemed too "as seen on TV") But I got a cheepo Harbor Freight because I was in a bind and it cut what I needed in a way that no other tool could have done (removing the integral fuel tanks in the Ski boat) and after burning up the cheepo I went with the Fein and its even more awesome. I find new uses for it all the time; you wont just be limited to caulk removal :) with the various blades that are available.
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by PeterG » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:36 pm

Glad that worked out. I was reluctant to suggest heat knowing of the epoxy behind the LPU bit couldn't think of an alternative. Interesting but good the LPU did scrape off so willingly. Can't wait to see how this turns out!
And your boat on the cover is great statement of your craftsmanship, looks fantastic!
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by billy c » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:14 pm

PeterG wrote:Glad that worked out. I was reluctant to suggest heat knowing of the epoxy behind the LPU bit couldn't think of an alternative. Interesting but good the LPU did scrape off so willingly. Can't wait to see how this turns out!
And your boat on the cover is great statement of your craftsmanship, looks fantastic!
Thanks Peter. Always good the forum has your back when you are at a standstill ...or going backwards.
...something my wife doesn't understand as the boat day after day looks in the same unfinished state :lol:
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by mrintense » Sun Jul 01, 2018 1:47 pm

Cool magazine cover Billy.

I can just imagine the tediousness of cleaning and sanding those grooves. But such a beautiful boat.
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by billy c » Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:44 pm

…had to dig deep to find my restoration thread. Guess the season away from completing the project does that. Summer came and I was miles from getting the surface cleaned up. No time to do things properly, so reluctantly put the project down. Multiple life events took over and sidelined me, but really enjoyed watching other builders live the dream.
At any rate, Jamie was plowing along making great strides with his Belle Isle and that inspired me to get things back on track.
Picking up this past month from where I left off was interesting. I made a tool from a chainsaw file that really worked slick for cleaning, filing and rounding the bottom of the grooves. I ground the end of the round file to a 45 and that reamed the grooves nicely. Today, I finished prepping the boat and am ready for staining. The New England weather is being kind of fickle going from freezing, to raining, to snow and not allowing much time outside but for a few hours today. Things worked out and out into the one day of sun for the week so I could dampen the surface and get a good look for sanding problems. Hand blocked the boat to the final grit and did a check of the color sample boards to see if I was still good with the color.
Pretty tired from prepping the boat so put it away for the night.
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by denbrlr » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:18 pm

Billy,

Glad you are back at it. Looking forward to your progress.

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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by PeterG » Wed May 01, 2019 9:11 am

Awesome, looks great and we're glad you're back at it!
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by billy c » Wed May 01, 2019 11:09 am

Thanks Lee and Peter!
Working between the rain showers again today. Nice to have natural light on these old eyes when doing the stain work. The LED lamps are nice and bright but sure skew the coloration of the boards. Hopefully a couple heated days in the stall for the water base dye to dry out followed by a few coats of System Three Silver Tip to get things sealed up.
Hope then worthy of a few pictures.
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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by Aussie » Tue May 07, 2019 1:24 am

Thanks for the mention Billy!

Your boat was one of the reasons that I went with the Belle.

Can’t wait to see her back in tip top condition!

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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by Bill Edmundson » Thu May 09, 2019 1:20 pm

Does anyone have a link for this groove tool?

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Re: Restoring Glory Days a 23' Belle Isle

Post by billy c » Thu May 09, 2019 4:47 pm

Hi Bill-
The tool Jim posted is a Fein and copied by many other tool companies. Hard to do without once you own one you find all kinds of tasks easier. The epoxy I had in the grooves was solid and not soft so could not find a blade that would only clean the grooves. The Fein is ideal for soft caulking.

Here is my groove tool made from the chainsaw file. Chainsaw files come in different diameters. This works both as a chisel and a file to finish the groove the pointed end started.
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ground to a 45 degree bevel. tried a 28 degree but acted too much like a chisel and would not follow the groove
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here is the profile that the file cuts.
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