Leaving Staples in?

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Leaving Staples in?

Post by garrys » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:59 pm

I am just beginning the plywood covering of my Monaco. From reading the forum I see that most folks are pulling all their staple out after the glue has dried. I'm using a pneumatic stapler with 1/2" narrow crown stainless staples. Even at the lowest setting they are being driven too deep to dig out without damaging the plywood.

What is the downside to leaving the staples in? Of course on the final mahogany strips I'll have to remove them, but why remove them for the "under" layers?

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Post by billy c » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:12 am

Garry-
i started thinking the same way on my build, but ended up removing them metal mixed with wood was awfully rough to work with when fairing as when you ground the crown off staple legs tear sanding belts and dull tools. also staple legs are very unfriendly to your hands as you work the surface.
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Post by BruceDow » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:21 am

Another reason for removing the staples is that they will stick out on the inside of the boat.

Most of your staples should hit frames and battens, but many will not. You will miss some. And there will be places where you need to hold down a stubborn edge between battens.

I did most of my stapling with a plain old "Arrow" manual stapler.

I shot these staples over a string.

Pulling the string would lift them enough that they could be easily removed with "nail puller" pliers.

Where I needed more hold, I used my Pneumatic. Like you, I could not get the setting low enough to leave the crown where I could grap it.

What I ended up doing was stapling over a 1/8" x 1/8" strip of scrap plywood. (staple and snap, staple and snap... each staple only used about 1/4" of length) That left the crown nice and high. The staple and littly plywood spacer could typically be removed in one grab.

You will just need to find a process that works for you. We've all been there.
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Post by leakcheck » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:17 am

I haven't been there :oops: :roll: :wink: :? :(

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Post by Bob Perkins » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:59 am

PULL THE STAPLES!

1) Stainless only stays stainless when exposed to air, they will break down and cause problems if buried.

2) Don't waste money on Stainless staples - use plain old ones and pull them.

Staple pulling is not too bad to do for those times when you only have 20 minutes. I kept a toilet bowl ring and waxed the staple legs before shooting them in and then removed them once the epoxy set (~12 hours) but before the epoxy was at 100% cure. They came out pretty easily.

If you are going to spend all the time and money - pull the staples - or purchase one of those plastic staple guns. (i.e. Shoots plastic staples just for this purpose) Not really worth the expense to me.. but has been to others.

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Post by upspirate » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:01 pm

Boat is looking good Garrys!

I see what some of the people have said since I talked to you.Sounds like better advice...although harder :cry:

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Post by leakcheck » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:26 pm

UPSpirate: we won't hold it against you...we all know you're easy !

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Post by upspirate » Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:51 pm

leakcheck wrote:UPSpirate: we won't hold it against you...we all know you're easy !

Steve
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Post by WoodBooger » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:32 am

This method worked well for me:

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Post by garrys » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:26 pm

Thanks to all who responded. Great ideas! I think I'll try Woodbooger's plastic pipe strapping. Any idea where to buy it? Don't know if I've seen it in Home Depot. Same with the "nippers" for removing the staples. It's a rather obscure tool, I think. And last question for Woodbooger.....what is "famo wood"?

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Post by WoodBooger » Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:46 pm

Garry,
I bought the strapping and the front snippers at Lowe's.
http://www.channellock.com/acb/stores/1 ... ers_C9.cfm

Famowood is just a brand of wood filler.
http://www.eclecticproducts.com/solventbased.htm.

PL wood filler is very similar
http://www.stickwithpl.com/products/det ... oductID=36

Probably any non-water base wood filler would work.
Happy Stapling!

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Post by BUNMAN » Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:16 pm

Try using a nylon rope the length of the run you want to do... leave about 6" loose for pulling. Staple the rope down triing to stradle it. To remove, grab the loose end with a vise grip and pull fast and hard - its like pulling a zipper... most all of them will come out. This method save hours x 10!
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Post by upspirate » Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:56 am

I saw the nippers at Harbor Freight for 4 or 5$,strapping at Home Depot or Lowes

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Post by J Patroni » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:37 pm

That type of end cutting plier is common place for ceramic
tile setters. You can find them at any tile supply store.
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