I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Here is where we get to welcome all new members.
New members please include your location - Other members close to you may be of great help in locating materials and other needs.

Moderator: Bill Edmundson

User avatar
watkibe
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri May 05, 2017 9:19 pm

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by watkibe » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:28 pm

Hey Gayle, thanks for your kind reply. I hope they find out, too !
I have gotten out the partial bulkhead and the aft bulkhead, and they are almost completely fitted. My wife is back home now, so we have an epoxy extravaganza planned soon.
From the Great Pacific Northwest !

User avatar
watkibe
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri May 05, 2017 9:19 pm

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by watkibe » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:18 am

I now know why I have been losing weight. I have a rare inherited neurological disease that cause muscle wasting, among other things. It won't kill me, but it will make me hate life unless I do enough PT and exercise. I have never been so glad to have a disease before; it is so much better than not knowing. Enough said on that subject
The bulkheads are done, and I have started the filleting of the long beams prior to fiberglass taping them. I also got out all the cleats and the bottom of the motor splash well. I have learned to fit up every thing using dry wall screws, only using the expensive silicon bronze screws for final assembly. They aren't strong enough for repeated in and out, as you can easily ruin the head if you don't have everything just right.
It is an exciting time in the building process. I see more and more how everything fits together to make a really strong and rigid monocoque structure by forming lots of eggcrate-like compartments.
It will take time before launch day comes, but that's ok. It will take a while to be able to buy a trailer and motor, so I will build the boat meanwhile. More photos soon I promise.

User avatar
Gayle Brantuk
Posts: 1810
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2003 1:02 pm
Location: San Clemente, CA
Contact:

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by Gayle Brantuk » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:56 pm

Glad you have an answer and as you know, "Knowing is half the battle" - GI Joe

It's good to hear your build is progressing and you're enjoying the process!

danman
Posts: 7
Joined: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:17 pm
Location: Central Ohio

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by danman » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:31 pm

watkibe wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:18 am
I now know why I have been losing weight. I have a rare inherited neurological disease that cause muscle wasting, among other things. It won't kill me, but it will make me hate life unless I do enough PT and exercise. I have never been so glad to have a disease before; it is so much better than not knowing. Enough said on that subject
The bulkheads are done, and I have started the filleting of the long beams prior to fiberglass taping them. I also got out all the cleats and the bottom of the motor splash well. I have learned to fit up every thing using dry wall screws, only using the expensive silicon bronze screws for final assembly. They aren't strong enough for repeated in and out, as you can easily ruin the head if you don't have everything just right.
It is an exciting time in the building process. I see more and more how everything fits together to make a really strong and rigid monocoque structure by forming lots of eggcrate-like compartments.
It will take time before launch day comes, but that's ok. It will take a while to be able to buy a trailer and motor, so I will build the boat meanwhile. More photos soon I promise.
Good to hear you now know what your dealing with healthwise. Would you mind sharing what they call it? Good luck on your build.

hoodman
Posts: 2326
Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:48 am
Location: Lafayette, IN

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by hoodman » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:35 pm

Glad you finally have some answers and a course of action. And that the build is still progressing.
Matt

Building a Geronimo......!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25139

User avatar
watkibe
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri May 05, 2017 9:19 pm

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by watkibe » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:41 am

I have been wondering how to make a hard point in the bow for a big cleat and a big pad eye in the bow, since it is such a light boat. Then I realized that I also needed the blocking for the bow eye. I cut a piece of 2x6 to fit inside the stem from the bottom of the breast hook down far enough to back the bow eye. Now I am cutting a triangle of 9mm marine ply to fill in from the breast, along the face of the 2x6, to side against the hull.
I will be making a boxed "Sampson post" with triangles in two axes, so it will be light and strong. The deck goes on top of the breast hook, and I can add an extra layer of ply there if needed. A small and acceptable modification to the plans, I think.
I will get my wife out to the barn with her camera soon.
From the Great Pacific Northwest !

User avatar
Andy Garrett
Posts: 1348
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:44 pm
Location: Nampa, Idaho

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by Andy Garrett » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:59 am

What a wonderful place these forums are...

I was just lamenting how rarely someone documents a stitch & glue build here on the forums moments ago, when I posted about my interest in building the Tug Along. Then, the very next post is of a stitch & glue build that has until now, eluded me.

To address your post: I think your solution will work just fine. Lighter boats shouldn't need super thick sections to mount the kind of hardware you mention.

It sounds like you've been happy with S-n-G construction. I'm getting the idea that it is more suited for 'team' strategies than one guy trying to persuade big sheets of ply into place.

On another note: When I was in my early to mid 20s, I considered studying naval architecture. I went to the public library and checked out everything they had on the subject, and it seemed like every one of those books was written by a naval architect who lived on an island in Puget Sound.
Andy Garrett

Perhaps the slowest Zip build in Glen-L history...

User avatar
watkibe
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri May 05, 2017 9:19 pm

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by watkibe » Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:17 pm

That's funny, Andy !
I have had an unexpected burst of energy here lately, feeling urgent about getting the hull finished. My brother (the carpenter who specializes in doors) has promised to help with cutting the hole in the barn and building a sliding barn door. He has been by twice to look at it, so I know the game is afoot. My dread is that the boat might be "Bruce's Folly" after I'm gone, because I built a boat in a barn I couldn't get it out of. I should have the funds soon to buy the materials for the door, and I hope to upgrade my work bench and area while I'm at it. Most of the tax refund is going into gravel for our parking area and road. UPS/FedX have to be able to deliver to us, right ?
One of the things I have been doing is cutting tape out of biaxial fiberglass. With the sharpest blades I could get, the cloth would still pull and fray on the edges, which makes for a messy lay-up. I had an idea, and I bought a Fiskars Shop Shear. It is a big whopper scissors with padded grips and Ti nitride coatings. And it cuts fiberglass like it was paper. WOW ! When I brought them home, I tried them out right away. I was so in love with the new scissors that I went straight ahead and cut tape out of all the cloth that I had out, just for fun !
I never thought cutting fiberglass was fun before.
The other fun I'm having is picking out things like battery boxes and cables, gas tank (portable of fixed ?), cleats, chocks, drains...
boat porn...
We have started making rope fenders, and I'm gonna order a floating boat hook kit from WB store soon, I think.
From the Great Pacific Northwest !

hoodman
Posts: 2326
Joined: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:48 am
Location: Lafayette, IN

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by hoodman » Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:14 am

I had to build door in my barn to get mine out too! Luckily there was already a header.
Matt

Building a Geronimo......!
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=25139

User avatar
chugalug
Posts: 1388
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:01 pm
Location: top of mn.

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by chugalug » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:21 am

I had to use my chainsaw on one of the doors on my boatshed to get mine out last fall.also noticed scrapes on door header after boat got pulled out.Didn't hurt boat but the top light receiver got hooked and didn't notice it.
Working on regular-sized Bo-Jest


"If it's not crooked,It's not mine

User avatar
mrintense
Posts: 3578
Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:22 am
Location: Austin, Texas
Contact:

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by mrintense » Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:05 pm

I'll be able to get mine out of the garage, but I will have to finish it outdoors. Finishing in this case means adding a windshield and mast to the cabin roof. The cabin roof clears by an inch or two.
Carl

Crafting a classically styled Vera Cruise

Clipper Boating

User avatar
watkibe
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri May 05, 2017 9:19 pm

Re: I will be turning wood into a Cabin Skiff soon...

Post by watkibe » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:22 pm

I feel better guys, thanks for letting me know my situation is actually not uncommon, haha !
The biggest pieces of lumber that I purchase of this boat project will be 2 - 6x6 by 8' pressure treated and 1- 6x8 x 10' for the door to get it out.
It'll be cheaper than the okoume ply that the hull is made of, though.
I am halfway through fiberglassing the long beams. Slow progress is progress. I have been making the battery compartments using the battery boxes I got to mock it up; and I got some hatches for the compartments, so I can get the cut-outs in the right places. I wanted to be able to put the battery boxes in and out through the hatches, but the boxes gave the minimum bottom size in the specs, not the top which is bigger and won't fit. I think I will still use it all; the boxes are strapped in, and if I remove the box top it will come out, the batteries will come out, and if I ever had to replace the battery box it could easily be removed destructively. I think fishyfishy gave me the idea on his console skiff, to use the space either side and under the motor well for batteries and battery switch. Anyway, the first thing is making "floors" for the batteries to sit on, which I am 66% done with.
Things I am wondering about:
-painting the bilge white: unnecessary, or a really good idea if I ever need to look there ?
-2 bilge pumps: smaller one in cockpit, then over 2 inches of water will flow into bilge where second bigger pump lives. Good strategy ?
- getting an HVLP sprayer -are they any good nowadays ?
- using Durabak paint instead of Zolatone for the cockpit sole and decks; it's used by US Navy on flight decks, probably tough enough for my purposes. Has actual chunks of rubber in it for texture.
- drilling holes for 2" Sched 40 PCV conduit to pass under motor well between batteries to carry main battery cables. (I know about derating ampacity of cables when bundling or placing in conduits so I will use enough cable.) Also separately for fuel, electrics, and steering to pass through fore and aft. Am I getting carried away with this hardening of cables ? Amateur projects are chiefly distinguished from professional projects in that the are usually too strong and too heavy; that is, unnecessarily strong and thus heavy. Glen calculated all the loads and strengths so that every thing is strong enough with a calculated reserve strength. We mostly can't do those maths, plus everybody thinks "my boat is special so I will just make everything a little bit better", which both lead to going overboard as I mentioned. He says that making all these little decisions makes the boat personalized for the builder, true yes, and I say we need to learn what we need to make good personalizing decisions.
Its just a 16 foot skiff, for pete's sake; but I don't want to sink either. Launching her will be in the saltchuck (local term for salt water), and it will my first experience there. Until now my small craft experience is all on fresh water rivers and lakes. That's not all tame of course, but I have been to sea on a USN vessel, so I have a realistic (and healthy) respect for what the ocean is like. And it's bigger and badder than any fresh water short of the Great Lakes.
I am looking forward to it, and maybe a little afraid. That's good, fear makes you check the gas and drain plug before you launch.
From the Great Pacific Northwest !

User avatar
watkibe
Posts: 93
Joined: Fri May 05, 2017 9:19 pm

too soon old, too late smart

Post by watkibe » Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:55 pm

I just realized that my work pants will take knee pads in pockets in the knees. Duh ! So much better than the kind I was using that Velcro on. I was adding duct tape to hold them...
I just found the best way to make fiberglass/ epoxy putty joints. Really. Apply the fillet, and right away lay down the fiberglass on the wet epoxy putty. The wet resin holds down the cloth, making it easier to wet out in the right place, using less resin (less drips). The brushing strokes used to apply the non-thickened resin smooth out the wet fillet underneath, making it fit perfectly and fairly. I know Glen mentions this somewhere, I didn't invent the method.
My "hardwood allergy" has broken out in blisters on my hands from the handles on shovels and rakes recently. The gravel was delivered, not as evenly as I might have liked, and so we are both doing unaccustomed labor; but our road and parking area our much improved. There will be lots more rain before summer, and with the virus emergency, we really need to get deliveries, so they have to be able to get here.
I have the materials for the bench upgrade project, just have to be able to stop using the bench long enough to do it !
From the Great Pacific Northwest !

Post Reply

Return to “New Members, Please Introduce Yourself”