Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

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Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

Post by Andy Garrett » Sat May 17, 2014 7:14 pm

The first video shows the cold blustery day and putting in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_JehwFqFek

The second video shows a power loss at high RPM which I am investigating now with member help in the power forum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzv4F1RgnuE

We never got on plane. Yet...

By the way. That chop is pretty typical in Kansas.
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Re: Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

Post by Roberta » Sun May 18, 2014 5:25 am

Look's Great, Andy!!! Once you get the prop issue corrected, it will be Great Fun!!!! What motor do you have? I can get you some Merc numbers for the correct prop for your motor then maybe Ebay could be a source or maybe have a prop shop repair it for you. Get a spare, too. There will be a number embossed on the hub under the prop nut and washer.

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Re: Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

Post by gdcarpenter » Sun May 18, 2014 6:23 am

Glad the collective wisdom here has hopefully correctly diagnosed your problem.

Sorry you didn't get the 'full thrill' on your first ride, but a simpler fix would be hard to find. On my first run, after an hour or two, and headed back to the dock, my throttle cable disconnected itself and I had to limp in at idle speed. What's one more hiccup.

Congrats on getting her wet. Hopefully with a new prop it will be clear sailing from here on!

Good to see another ZIP in the family.
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Re: Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

Post by Andy Garrett » Sun May 18, 2014 6:26 am

It's a 1977 Merc 500 (50HP) 2-stroke, long shaft.

The prop has been painted and I see no number under the prop washer, but there are very faint numbers on the back.
I think it reads 051017

I'm pretty sure that this is the issue and there is a local prop shop that can do the work for $45 according to their web page. I just hope he/she can do it in time. Otherwise, I'm buying a new one (there's that spare Roberta).
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Post by vupilot » Sun May 18, 2014 7:38 am

Thanks for the video Andy. Congrats on the first splash! Bummer you didn't get full speed but that will be an easy fix. Sounds like your motor runs really nicely though!

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Post by Roberta » Sun May 18, 2014 9:28 am

That should work, Andy!! I have an older Merc book that only goes to 1974. Your motor should be easier to get a prop since your shaft is a newer design. Mine has 11 splines and is very hard to find props.

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Post by Andy Garrett » Sun May 18, 2014 10:11 am

I'm at work now, so I can't count them, but I think I have 13 splines.

That is not a part number I see -- not sure what it is.

The prop doc can get a new hub order and installed by next weekend, but I want a spare too. I'm trying to guess at a safe pitch. I don't want to over-rev so a higher pitch seems ok. I don't anticipate much skiing, though tubing will certainly happen. I don't think I need an awesome hole-shot for that, so higher pitch makes sense from where I sit.
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Post by Roberta » Sun May 18, 2014 11:24 am

I have a two blade AL 11" by 13 Pitch on my Zip with a short shaft Merc 500. Runs about 5200-5300 rpm WOT and about 34 mph. About 28 mph at 4000 rpm.

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Re: Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

Post by Andy Garrett » Sun May 18, 2014 3:08 pm

It turns out that number is 031017. I thought that might mean 3 blades, 10" diameter, and 17 pitch, but no...

That is actually a part number:
Michigan Propellers
10 3/8 R 13 cupped

Made to fit my engine. One mystery solved.
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Re: Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

Post by Andy Garrett » Mon May 26, 2014 4:07 pm

Maiden Voyage 2.0

We took our Zip to Kaw Lake near Ponca City, Oklahoma for the Memorial Day holiday weekend. The forcast was for thunderstorms and rain for the duration--it did not disappoint.

Nonetheless, I had 'new-boat-fever' and had to get it on the water with the newly repaired prop (spun the hub on my first launch).

I've attached four videos. Bear in mind that these were shot at the calmest moments, instead of when we were afraid for our lives. :shock:

As far as a test of maximum seas, wake endurance, and swamp tolerance was concerned, we succeeded in identifying the worst conditions allowable for this vessel. Furthermore, we got to practice some emergency procedures and I learned a great deal about seamanship (the hard way).

Lessons learned:
1) Just because everyone else's Zip's run dry on their lakes, does not mean that mine will in white capping swells that are breaking over the bow and dumping gallons of water in our laps. Even normal spray was in our faces due to a lack of a windshield.

2) Other boaters do not understand that close passes that throw wakes higher than my freeboard height, are not fun for me and certainly not my wife.

3) Torrential downpours are bad in a small shallow draft boat with no bilge pump. See video.

4) Scraping the rub-rails as you dive into a marina slip with no time to set the bumpers is better than swamping the boat and testing whether or not you added enough floatation foam.

5) Orange soda stains white polyamide paint and marine vinyl.

6) A 13 pitch prop makes a little boat go really fast!

7) Stay in the lee of the upwind shore. The other side of the lake on a windy and stormy day is a trip to hell and back. I had to stay in the wake of a friend's boat just to survive.

8 ) Slamming down on waves in a plywood boat is scary the first time you do it!.

9) Big wakes from behind will choke out an outboard with water in the intake.

10) Everybody loves a classic wooden boat! You just have to learn its limitations (and your own :wink: ).

Videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDHQftzNPFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RHtSc--gXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPGrPVw726Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8mTi862RDg
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Re: Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

Post by Andy Garrett » Mon May 26, 2014 4:15 pm

Conditions did not allow for me to use my GPS app on my phone to determine speed. However, a friend who was pacing me in his Malibu wake boat when I was near but not at WOT, indicated that he was going just over 30mph according to his gauge. I will eventually get this properly confirmed.

The boat trims best with the motor all the way down in the last hole (tail tucked between its legs). If future testing goes well, I will not install my Smart Tabs.

The motor ran great!
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Post by Roberta » Mon May 26, 2014 4:43 pm

Look's Great Andy!!!

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Re: Zip first splash - Cheney Res - West of Wichita, KS

Post by jenko » Mon May 26, 2014 5:02 pm

Andy if you fit the bilge pump it wont rain and the swell wont be a problem :lol: mr murpy told me that:lol:

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Post by billy c » Mon May 26, 2014 5:09 pm

Andy-
WOW! that looks like a lot of fun. glad you got things sorted :D
i like your lessons learned... only a few more to go :lol:
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Post by mrintense » Mon May 26, 2014 5:24 pm

Andy,

Just keep trying. You're bound to get good weather and a good run on the same day! :lol:

I can imagine that the chop was fairly scary. That's why I'm building a bigger boat !!
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