Best way to make frame templates

See: "Useful Information and Suppliers" for a list of lumber and plywood suppliers. Also see: "Wood & Plywood Information". Both located in the left-hand column of the Home page.

Moderator: Bill Edmundson

User avatar
Bill Edmundson
Posts: 11181
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:45 am
Location: Birmingham, AL, USA
Contact:

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Bill Edmundson » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:35 pm

Jeff :lol:

I'm not that good just lazy! :lol:

The guy with the Tornado was from Memphis. His name is Neel. I don't remember his last name right now.

Bill
Mini -Tug, KH Tahoe 19 & Bartender 24 - There can be no miracle recoveries without first screwing up.
Tahoe 19 Build

Nova SS
Posts: 2434
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:42 pm
Location: Stirling, ON

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Nova SS » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:38 pm

Ya Paul was from Tennessee as well had a red tornado. Maybe I'm mixing them up.

EDIT: Paul Miller was at G5 with his Tornado. Found the pictures in the G5 Gallery. We are likely taking about two different boats. here.

User avatar
Bill Edmundson
Posts: 11181
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:45 am
Location: Birmingham, AL, USA
Contact:

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Bill Edmundson » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:52 pm

My mistake! It was Paul Miller! I always associate him Mr. Hotrod!

Bill
Mini -Tug, KH Tahoe 19 & Bartender 24 - There can be no miracle recoveries without first screwing up.
Tahoe 19 Build

User avatar
BayouBengal
Posts: 1060
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:29 am
Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by BayouBengal » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:55 pm

It was this boat, really more of a magenta color - http://www.glen-l.com/picboards/picboar ... ex008.html
he seemed like a very nice man
Yes, very nice, certifiably crazy, but nice.

Nova SS
Posts: 2434
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:42 pm
Location: Stirling, ON

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Nova SS » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:00 pm

I think you have to be a little crazy to want to push a flat like many of them do. Right up to the edge of catastrophe...lol. I've corresponded with a few others asking questions and they mostly seem to have that in common...lol

User avatar
Mr Hot Rod
Posts: 958
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:40 pm
Location: Chelsea, Quebec, Canada
Contact:

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Mr Hot Rod » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:19 pm

Here's a video of Paul Miller's Tornado at G5 :
I emailed Paul a few years ago after he sold the boat. I believe he hit 86 MPH on GPS on that run.

____________________
Paul Kane
Kane Custom Boats Ltd.
Chelsea, Quebec

Building the Glen-L Hot Rod : http://www.kanecustomboats.com
Glen-L Hot Rod build thread
Kane Custom Boats YouTube channel
Glen-L Boat Video Directory
Last edited by Mr Hot Rod on Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.

DSR
Posts: 270
Joined: Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:11 pm
Location: Allegan, Michigan

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by DSR » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:55 pm

Perfect timing on the template question Nova!

I'm getting ready to start the frames for the TNT very shortly and was thinking of asking the exact same thing.
I might actually build more than one of these little buggers depending on how #1 turns out and it'd be nice to have a set of sturdy accurate templates for that.

I'm glad I'm not the only crazy one to plan on building a Tornado! That is the very boat that got me yearning to build a boat 20-some years ago. And researching Paul's Tornado definitely cemented the idea in my brain! His was a very nice example!

Thanks!!
Dave
DSR Performance - Home of yet another jet TNT build :D
Codename "Just A Little....."
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29753

Nova SS
Posts: 2434
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:42 pm
Location: Stirling, ON

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Nova SS » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:14 pm

Mr Hot Rod wrote:Here's a video of Paul Miller's Tornado at G5 :
I emailed Paul a few years ago after he sold the boat. I believe he hit 86 MPH on GPS on that run.

____________________
Paul Kane
Kane Custom Boats Ltd.
Chelsea, Quebec

Building the Glen-L Hot Rod : http://www.kanecustomboats.com
Glen-L Hot Rod build thread
[url=https://www.youtube.com/user/chelseacoachworks]Kane Custom Boats YouTube channel

Glen-L Boat Video Directory
Hey Paul thanks for sharing the Vid of Pauls, Tornado in action. Looks like he was hauling the mail for sure.

Nova SS
Posts: 2434
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:42 pm
Location: Stirling, ON

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Nova SS » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:20 pm

DSR wrote:Perfect timing on the template question Nova!

I'm getting ready to start the frames for the TNT very shortly and was thinking of asking the exact same thing.
I might actually build more than one of these little buggers depending on how #1 turns out and it'd be nice to have a set of sturdy accurate templates for that.

I'm glad I'm not the only crazy one to plan on building a Tornado! That is the very boat that got me yearning to build a boat 20-some years ago. And researching Paul's Tornado definitely cemented the idea in my brain! His was a very nice example!

Thanks!!
Dave
Paul’s is definitely a great example of the Tornado. I've only been thinking of it for about 14 years so I have a few years yet to go to catch up to you...lol

User avatar
Mr Hot Rod
Posts: 958
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2005 2:40 pm
Location: Chelsea, Quebec, Canada
Contact:

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Mr Hot Rod » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:47 pm

Oh ... you wanted info on templates !! ...

Image

We used 3/8" select grade plywood to make our templates. See our website for more details :
Image
The templates for the bottom frames, laminations
and floor timbers were screwed to Douglas Fir stock
and cut on the bandsaw to within 1/8" of the
template. Pieces were then trimmed on the router
table using a trim bit.

____________________
Paul Kane
Kane Custom Boats Ltd.
Chelsea, Quebec

Building the Glen-L Hot Rod : http://www.kanecustomboats.com
Glen-L Hot Rod build thread
Kane Custom Boats YouTube channel
Glen-L Boat Video Directory

Nova SS
Posts: 2434
Joined: Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:42 pm
Location: Stirling, ON

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Nova SS » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:09 pm

Nice work Paul.

User avatar
sproggy
Posts: 215
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2017 12:04 pm
Location: Welwyn Garden City, UK

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by sproggy » Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:41 am

Bill Edmundson wrote:I didn't make templates. I started to. But, as much work as I was doing on them, I decided to just do the wood and be done with it. I was only making one.
For me, a significant part of the reason for doing templates is financial. I can get all the frame profiles transferred to less than £50 worth of ply, bought locally in a DIY shop. This means I can hold off for as long as that work lasts before spending around £1000 on oak, marine ply and shipping. And if I make mistakes, all I've wasted is a couple of pounds worth of ply which I'll be less upset about than if it was expensive oak!

My plans have only an outer profile for the frames and specify a minimum profile of 3". So if I screw up on drawing the inner profile, or in splitting into bottom and side members, that will become apparent on the ply, before I transfer to oak.

TAB
Posts: 95
Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:22 pm
Location: OR

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by TAB » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:49 pm

well now that I have a cnc router, I would put the drawings into cad/cam and have it make them. :mrgreen: ( really loving it by the way, its just a very expesive toy until next week anyways) if not I would get some of the tracing paper by the roll( often found at art supply houses/ craft stores) and use that, cut about 1/32" away from the line, then use rasps/files/planes/sand paper to get it too the line.

bobinpowayca
Posts: 423
Joined: Thu Jun 16, 2011 1:40 pm
Location: Poway, CA

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by bobinpowayca » Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:33 pm

I didn't make templates either. Fortunately I had access to some quality tools - drum sander, disc sander and band saws. Big ones, had to be over 50 yrs old but this shop is no longer available to me. Anyway, I laid out the patterns from Glen-L on the sapelle boards over carbon paper and very carefully traced out the pattern right onto the wood. Then cut out the frames on the table saw maybe 1/8 inch outside the lines. Then used the drum sander for the inside curves and disc sander for the outside curves. It was about a 16" wide disc mounted in a steel table. Frames came out perfect but again these were quality tools. For the rest of the boat's curved pieces I got a nice little combination belt sander/spindle sander- Ridgid - at the depot. It does the same things just smaller tools. Bob
Bob
_______________
Built the Glen-L 17 (1988), Geronimo (2018)
PBR support (1968)

User avatar
Bill Edmundson
Posts: 11181
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:45 am
Location: Birmingham, AL, USA
Contact:

Re: Best way to make frame templates

Post by Bill Edmundson » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:36 pm

The best way would be to see if Gayle has any of the templates that Alan made!

Bill
Mini -Tug, KH Tahoe 19 & Bartender 24 - There can be no miracle recoveries without first screwing up.
Tahoe 19 Build

Post Reply

Return to “Wood and Plywood”