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Hello:

I have finally stained and glassed the Biscayne 22. I used Bob's recommendation of the interlux stain with 2 parts CC to 1 part mohagany brown. I have attached a couple pics of the unsanded fourth layer of resin.





Looking forward to some mechanicals. I can't figure out what type of steering I should use. What is everyone using, rack & pinion, rotary or hydraulic (hydraulic seems overkill for a 22 ft boat)?

Also, where can I find a marine gear shifter with the lever through the floor?

Thanks,
Keith Miller

I have rotory in the Tahoe. I put R&P in the mini tug because of space limitations.

Bill

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Gorgeous work Keith. What's your plan for the bottom of this fine vessel?

Grampa Steve

Beautiful lines and craftsmanship.

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I have a chrome floor shifter I didnt use. I used hydralic steering.

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John Amundsen
Monte Carlo
Winter Haven, FL

Maybe it will be done by G6 and maybe not.

Grampa Steve: I will be using two part epoxey primer with two coats of VC 17 Bronze

Vupilot: No wrinkles in my duct tape.

John: Why did you not use the floor shifter? Do you want to sell it? If you do, can you post a pic? Are you a pilot? Just in case you are here is a couple pic's of my airplane.




Keith Miller

I went with the Hydraulic steering so the throttle didnt work out in the steering wheel and then I got a different style shifter with the throttle so now its just sitting in the corner waiting for someone else to use it. Ill get some pictures later today. And yes I fly a little but not as much as Chris (Vupilot). Is that a Cutlass?

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John Amundsen
Monte Carlo
Winter Haven, FL

Maybe it will be done by G6 and maybe not.

Wow that looks great Keith, I have just started a 23' Belle Isle at the frame building stage.One question ,I see you used Interlux stain is there not a problem with epoxy over a oil based stain?

John: No it's a Centurion or T210 the SUV of single engine pistons.

Kevin: It is ok to use an oil stain as long as you seal with penitrating epoxey (CEPS) before the glass layer. I used three coats of CEPS before the Glass.

Here are some pics of the sealed hull just before wet out of the glass. The glass is 3.7 oz.



I still need some input on the steering thing, why one over the other?

I see that you're still waiting for input It's up to the builder as both systems have their pros and cons.

Here are a few observations :

• Single cable systems are adequate for speeds below 50 MPH.

• Dual (twin) cable systems are recommended for speeds above 50 MPH. The cables can be adjusted to remove most of the backlash (free play) found in single cable systems.
This reduction of backlash helps minimize rudder flutter and the resulting handling instability.

• Hydraulic systems have a small footprint, zero backlash and are rated for higher speeds.

With so many types of steering available, it's easy to get confused. Here's a link to help you select a system :

http://www.pyacht.com/Teleflex-Steering-Selection.pdf

The hydraulic systems fetch a premium price. Here are a few links to a supplier we've dealt with in the past. Don't let the company's name scare you off. They delivered the goods !!

• Hydraulic :

• Teleflex SeaStar 5312 Inboard Kit HK4410 $774.99 w/o hoses : http://www.boatbandit.com/teleflex-seas ... 12545.aspx

• Teleflex SeaStar 5313 Inboard Kit HK4420 $789.99 w/o hoses : http://www.boatbandit.com/teleflex-seas ... 12546.aspx


• Mechanical :

• TELEFLEX NFB 4.2 Tilt Steering Kit TEL SS157 $299.95 : http://www.boatbandit.com/teleflex-nfb- ... -5901.aspx

• Glen-L offers a great kit (Includes Helm, Choice of 11' to 18' Cable, 90 degree bezel, 13 inch black wheel and Inboard mount hook up kit) :
Teleflex Rotary Steering Kit with Inboard Mount : http://www.boatdesigns.com/Teleflex-Rot ... o/06-290C/

We installed a hydraulic system since space was at a premium and speed potential was an issue. Here are a few photos of our installation :

We had many clearance issues installing a Teleflex NFB Dual Cable setup with opposing Port and Starboard cables. Exhaust hoses
were right where we wanted to install the cables and they couldn't make the tight radius bend. The solution was to upgrade to a
Teleflex SeaStar hydraulic system. To mount the cylinder within the stringers, we fabricated a slave tiller arm which connects to
the central tiller arm via an adjustable tie bar. It's not a Hot Rod unless its got some custom parts !




Visible in this photo are two 3/8" annealed copper tubes. They're retained by bulkhead fittings bolted through the stainless
steel transom support uprights. Click here for more photos.

My apologies for the lengthy post !

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Paul Kane Chelsea, PQ

Building the Glen-L Hot Rod : http://www.boats.chelseacoachworks.com

Very Nice!

Love the color!

I used Teleflex rotary w/cable. Works fine.

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Bob Perkins

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