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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:28 pm 
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Thanks guys, I may not get to paint today. The humidity is up and I need to sand anyway.

Bill, in some cultures, pink is the color of verility! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:15 pm 
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Sometimes i like pink also. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:40 pm 
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Looks good brother. That's the first pink Zip I have seen, but I think it works! Maybe you can offset it with some flames. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:10 am 
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Product Report:

I used the SM-664D Etching Primer from Supermarine (white, not pink :wink: ). Since the Ironsides paint I selected is a two part, I would have expected a two part primer, but this was not the case. The 664D is highly recomended for Ironsides compatiblity and an epoxy substrate.

Per instructions (see: my signature line), I scuffed my epoxy, which was previously finished to 220 grit, with 150 grit. I rolled on two coats of 664D with foam rollers and allowed it to cure a full day.

I sanded to 180 grit using a 3M foam sanding block from Lowe's. As the block started to loose its bite, I wrapped the same brand of 180 grit sandpaper around it and continued.

The primer is a joy to sand. That really says it all. It levels great and works down quickly with even pressures. Had I used my DA palm sander, I think it would have been far too aggressive. Hand sanding is always best before finish coats in my book. I elected to dry sand because Lowe's didn't have any wet/dry paper in 180 grit. The result was more dust than I wanted but I had the shop vac turned on and handy through the whole process.

My previous experience with automotive two part primers had me scared, because they are like iron to sand. It was a nightmare. I'm happy to give SM-664D a nod of approval. I would recommend it at this point, but we'll see how it looks and wears with time.

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:33 am 
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I've been trying to paint for weeks!

First, my two cottowood trees decide that its mating season, so it's like a blizzard for ten days or so. Then, its 100+ degrees outside for the last two weekends!

Can't a guy get a break?

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 4:58 pm 
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Andy Garrett wrote:
I've been trying to paint for weeks!

First, my two cottowood trees decide that its mating season, so it's like a blizzard for ten days or so. Then, its 100+ degrees outside for the last two weekends!

Can't a guy get a break?

the cotton wood bloomed earlier here this year but you have more 100+ weather headed your way when i took my son to work at 4pm mst it was 110 here :roll: we just can't get a break I am waiting for my house to be ready to move in and the guy to give me a answer on weather we get the place. And here rent is coming due again and lease is up so its going to cost me more if I have to pay it. Wish you luck and not my type which isn't good :wink: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:22 pm 
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I haven't posted in a while--been a lot going on. After 13 years, I switched to day shift. That was different. Joined the CAP and IDPA, so that's burning a few hours a month. Then, just as the heat broke enough to allow me to paint, I got hit head on while astride my Harley at a stop sign--hit and run, but I got his tag. He went to jail and I got a few grand to fix the bike. I'm just glad I wasn't injured.

As for the boat, it may be the longest Zip build in history, but I soldier on. I painted with two coats of Ironsides today. Wow, do I ever suck at roll and tip! :shock: I see some wet sanding and buffing in my future. :roll:

I also installed most of the new hardware on the trailer. I'll finish that up tomorrow. After the paint fully cures in a week or so, I'll set the trailer on the hull inverted to get it set up enough to receive the hull after the flip.

Have a great time at the Gathering! I'll post pics when I flip.

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:10 am 
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Glad to hear you are ok and still building.

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:08 am 
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Wow Andy. Glad you were not hurt! Good going on the tags.

I actually had better luck with the SM brand paints by not tipping. Just roll it on smoothly and let it settle on its own. Might work for yours as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:37 am 
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Glad you're OK, Andy!!! Vu is right. Thin smooth coats and no tipping got good results for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:15 am 
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Andy, I used the same paint on my Zip. I tried everything from a brush, to a foam brush and then I ended up with just using a roller for the best results. The key for me was to just put it on and leave it alone and most of the bubbles will pop. I was still not satisfied because of the orange peel so I ended up sanding and buffing. When I was done, the paint was a high gloss shine that anyone would be happy with. It did take a lot of work to get it that way and I am happy with it. If I did paint the bottom of another boat, I am not sure it is worth all the extra effort because 95% is never scene. After using the boat all summer, the paint is dull again and full of water spots from the lake water. The one thing that I am disappointed in, is that any nick in the paint reveals the white primer.
Check out the article and photos in my blog.
http://tedsbuild.blogspot.com/2010/05/n ... -peel.html


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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:00 am 
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Yea, I plan to just wet/sand and buff the sides and transom--those areas which can be seen. I'd just as soon keep the extra paint on the bottom for durability.

In any case, I'm not going to get all 'white glove' about it. This boat will see regular use and it wont be in any boat shows. Don't get me wrong, I'll do my best work, but 'magazine cover perfection' will not be achieved.

I finished the trailer. Pics later tonight when I get home. I just need to re-pack/replace the bearings and add some Bearing Buddies. I was pleased that I nailed the wiring from scratch on the first try. Yay for me! :P

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:09 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:09 pm 
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Andy,

looks like your getting ready to flip!! Boat looks great keep it up! Travis

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 Post subject: Re: Andy's Zip build
PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:58 pm 
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Looks very good Andy! When you flip it all starts again! :twisted:


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