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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby Bill Edmundson » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:16 am

Oh! So, your doing the cradle out of cat litter buckets?

It looks good!

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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby hoodman » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:18 am

I had to do the same thing in my barn to get my boat out. Exact same situation.

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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby watkibe » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:20 pm

The cradle is coming together, with almost all materials in hand. The stern and midships cradles are done. I just need to build the bottom framework, and put the wheels on it. It will be very good to be able to conveniently move the project around a little.
The transom cut-out for the motor is almost done, too. I waited to get a bottom bearing flush trim bit for my router to do a good job of making the long part of the cut flush with the top of the motor board. Usually, I just try to go ahead and do the best job I can with the tools I have. My brother, the professional carpenter, has a fortune invested in the special tools that let him do excellent work quickly and easily. Even though he is my little brother, haha, I am an amateur who can still learn from his example !
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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby watkibe » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:22 pm

the picture of the transom that was one too many to post on the last one
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Levitated the Cabin Skiff to it's cradle today !

Postby watkibe » Tue Oct 10, 2017 12:35 am

I finished the cradle last night. Today we used ratchet straps, a chain on a roof beam, and a come-along to lift the boat up off the temporary staging. Some reinforcing boards under the lifting straps were needed to keep the sides from becoming scalloped. We were then able to lift the boat about it's balance point to first get the bow end on the cradle, and then lift and move the stern end into place by means of a 2x4 lever.
The Boat has landed, haha.
Now I can start building a boat again. The hull is only stitched now, so, supported by the cradle, I can epoxy the seams, install the transom, and put in the keel and the long battens.
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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby Tomas » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:53 am

nice project. I wish that I have time for something like this. Keep with nice work

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Postby watkibe » Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:13 pm

I think it's our moderator, Bill Edmundson, who said "No great comeback is possible without a major screw-up first".
Well, I guess it wasn't a major screw-up, at least not once I saw how to fix it. I forgot to staple the carpet onto the cross members of the cradle before putting the boat on it ! I was able to lever the hull up one side at a time just enough to slide the carpet in, and then to staple it all down along the sides. I left the carpet long in case I need to extend the cross members up at the chine and want to pad those too.

The next task will be to install the transom. I'm proud of how well it turned out. I'm also grateful it turned out well, because I built it from 18mm okoume, which was about $200 for the one sheet. I had hoped to finish the outside of it bright, but have just not been able to keep it perfectly clean.
The temperature has been down into the 40s. I pre-coated the edges of the transom and matching locations on the stern sides and bottom. I was able to make a tent over the stern with a heater in it. In 24 hours the epoxy had set, but was still barely tacky. Oddly, it didn't seem to be set up any better than the transom, which had no heat. At usual temps, 24 hours would be enough for a hard smooth surface. I'm sure it will continue to cure over the next day or so, as it usually does at 70 degrees.
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I'd love to hear some opinions on this, please

Postby watkibe » Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:43 pm

I'm building the Cabin Skiff; hull is stitched and in the sturdy cradle, and I'm fitting the transom. We put it in, checked the angle with the knee, measured from the stem to the two corners to make sure the transom was square to the keel. I marked it, removed it, and drilled tiny pilot holes from the inside out; the plan is to put the transom back in, drill the real tapered, countersunk holes, and screw it in place. (The next step being to take it out again, spread epoxy putty, and replace and screw it down for good.)

I have put it in for the second time, the tiny holes are drilled and the transom is on the marks. Now the measurement from stem to transom corners is off by 5/8"; meaning the transom is out of square to the keel, by 5/8" (in a 16' boat). If I just bump it until it is square again, the pilot holes will be off.
I don't know why it didn't return to square, I not only marked it, but also put in temporary nails to help index it back in place.

SO...I have been thinking and looking at it for several days, because the slow right answer is better than the quick wrong one.
Is 5/8" out in a 16' boat gonna make the boat run in circles, haha, I mean always pull to one side ? Can I ignore it ?
Or is it really important to square it up, and spend the time and effort drill new pilot holes ? Will the extra holes cause weakness in the joint ?
Any thought will be appreciated, thanks !
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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby TomB » Wed Oct 25, 2017 6:58 am

I think you have the right idea is slowing down on the fix. (coming from a guy progressing at the pace of "continental drift").

I suspect that the hull shape has changed, maybe not enough bulge or too much bulge on one side or the other.

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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby Bill Edmundson » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:14 am

watkibe

I think Tom is probably right. Look at the hull bulge on the sides. Just a little difference could easily make that much change. You'll get it. As far as performance I don't think you would notice.

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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby watkibe » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:58 am

Thank you to TomB and Bill Edmundson for your concise replies. The center form is still in place, and one of the ropes used in persuading the forward section into shape is still there also. I think from the form forward the hull shape is pretty stable. Aft of the form though, that can still move. I will look at that.
Thanks again !
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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby watkibe » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:51 pm

I finally just went for it. When I had everything as good as I could, I just drilled it from the outside by measurement. Thankfully, all the holes went into the transom, and not out of it ! I think my skills are slowly improving; or maybe I am going slowly and improving my skills ? Anyway, put in all the screws, rechecked all measurements, and unscrewed until they will let me take the transom out. I have made some witness marks to help get it back in right. Time to bring the epoxy into the house to warm up, and find the bottle of fast hardener. We have been in the 40 degree range; started using the woodstove on 12 Oct. I am confident I can warm the joint enough that the glue will fully set before the boat ever gets near the water, haha.
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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby watkibe » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:58 pm

Today was to be "glue the transom into the hull day". Last night, I brought the glue and silica into the house to warm up, and put heat on the hull to pre-heat that. Then we woke up to 30 degrees and snow...
Slow progress is still progress, I guess.
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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby hoodman » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:34 am

watkibe wrote:Slow progress is still progress, I guess.


True that. I was supposed to be done 1-2 years ago.

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Re: I will be turning wood into a boat shortly.

Postby watkibe » Mon Nov 13, 2017 1:01 am

We had a 50 degree heatwave and we glued in the transom. Application of a heater and a halogen lamp gave a 12 hour cure ! We used all fast hardener, and I was very surprised how fast it was at 50 degrees. It made the installation a little bit of a scramble, with some missteps.
(Epoxy has a supernatural ability to appear on anything and everything. TIP: have LOTS of gloves on hand, as you will want to change them every few minutes, with hands either too slippery or too sticky.)
There are a few gaps, and not all the screws went in before the epoxy set up too hard. I'll re-drill the necessary holes, install the screws, and then fill in the gaps. I will be trying out my wife's little-used cake decorating funnel to squeeze epoxy putty into the gaps. In theory it sounds wonderful; in practice we will see.
The take away is the two stern corners measured from the stem agreed within 1/4", and the knee fits perfectly !
Pictures to follow soon ( meaning as soon as I'm proud of how it looks, haha)
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