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Hi all,
I am building my first boat, just got the plans and I am shopping around for lumbers and plywood (ALABAMA area).

I got the following quote:

Lumer Item Material No. Pcs Size
Keel Honduras Mahogany 1 1" x 4" x 12' $54.90 each
Shee Clamp Honduras Mahogany 4 5/8" x 1-1/4" x 16' $16.80 each
Chine Log Honduras Mahogany 2 1" x 2" x 16' $29.60 each
Battens Honduras Mahogany 4 1" x 2 1/2" x 10' $22.80 each
Frames Honduras Mahogany 30 Random bd. Ft 1" material 9.75 per bd ft
Carling, Runabout Honduras Mahogany 2 1" x 4'' x 8' $46.20 each
Carling Utility Honduras Mahogany 2 5/8" x 6" x 12' $66.20 each
Strongback Runabout Honduras Mahogany 1 1" x 2" x 8' $17.45 each
Strongback, Utility Honduras Mahogany 1 1" x 2" x 4' $11.80 each
Battens, Runabout Honduras Mahogany 1 1" x 2" x 11' $27.10
Seatback beam Honduras Mahogany 2 1" x 2" x 11' $27.10
Misc. 1" blocking not listed

Plywood Item Material No. Pcs Size
Side Planking - Note great care must be used in cutting both sides from the single sheet. Honduras Mahogany Marine AB 1 1/4" x 4' x 16' Okoume 4' x 8' 2 sheets $68.80 each
Bottom Planking Honduras Mahogany Marine AB 2 1/4" x 4' x 14' Okoume 4' x 8' 2 sheets $68.80 each
Transom, stem, breadstock Honduras Mahogany Marine AB 1 3/4" x 4' x 6' $Okoume 4' x 8' sheets $144.20 each

Shipping $235 total.

and I have the followings questions:

1) Is Marine Okoume BS1088 Grade ok?
2) For the Frames (Random bd. Ft 1" material) how many bd. ft do I need?
3) Is it the price reasonable?
4) Any supplier to suggest in ALABAMA area thae carries lumbers and plywood (Honduras Mahogany) for the Zip

I would appreciate any advice.
Thanks,

- Federico

Welcom to the forum. You'll find lots of knowlegable friends here ready to help anytime you have a question.
As for lumber, you might try Hardwoods Inc of Alabama. They are located just off of I-65 about 25 miles south of Alabaster.
They have all types of hardwood and a limited selection of marine plywood.
Tom

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Tom
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"It's amazing what one can do when one doesn't know what one can't do." - Garfield

Have you looked into using Marine Meranti (Sapele) BS1088 "Hydro-tek" instead of the Okoume?

Okoume is a nice lightweight material but its one of the weaker marine mahagany plywoods available, more often used on canoes and kayaks. Meranti is considerably stronger and I would suggest you take a look at it as an option.

My pricing for Meranty Marine BS1088 (Canadian)
1/4" @ $60.00/sht
3/8" @ $75.00/sht
3/4" @ $135.00/sht

That said, I've seen a ZIP built with Okoume and it turned out just fine.

I ordered 100 board feet of lumber for my larger Malahini boat, which should do everything but the top deck panelling. (+30 bdft most likely).

I paid $6.50/bd ft (Canadian dollar, almost on par with US$) for Sapele Mahogany (shipping extra). Honduras Mahogay is going to cost more and your rate of $9.75/bd ft is pretty close to what I was orginally quoted.

I would not order the material in individual lenghts, by my calculations you are paying $17.33/bdft for the 1" x 4" x 8' Carlings.

What I did was total up the overall board feet.. framing, chines, sheers, decking.. then ordered the lumber in random/random 4/4 (1" thick) quartersawn lumber and even got it planed down smooth (7/8").

I just received my lumber and plywood yesterday... but I did my research and I am very happy with the quality of material I received.

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My Malahini Build

There is a supply place in Anniston that sells mahogany. Cant remember the name, but I will try to find name. They stock alot of cabinet grade wood and plywood.

Also, in Birmingham there is a company that can get marine plywood. I found them after I got my boat completed. Search the internet for marine plywood that is how I found them.

Ok,
I finally placed the order on lumbers (Honduras Mahogany) and plywood (Meranti Marine Plywood BS 1088) at World Panel Products Inc (www.worldpanel.com). They were selected because the most helpful.
I should get it delivered by the end of this week.

I am really excited to start.

- Federico

I finally got the lumbers and the plywood and the fastening kit from glen-l. I even started to work on the frames.
I have two questions:
1) I just realized that the fastening kit from glen-l does not include carriage bolts or glue. Any suggestion where to order it?
2) I want to go ahead and order the Zip fibereglass kit from glen-l. There are three types. Which one should I get?

fvignaroli

Since you're in Alabama, you can get fast hardener now that it is winter. You will be doing mostly small batches of glue in cool weather. In the summer use slow. For glassing, use slow.

You didn't say where in Alabama. But, most marine supply places have epoxy. You do want epoxy and micro-fibers, not polyester!

Bill

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Tahoe 19 Build

As far as bolts, I was able to find hot-dipped galvanized bolts in the size specified in plans at Home Depot. You don't even want to know what large bolts cost in silicon bronze.

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El Toro I built with my Dad

I am not much of a fan of saving money on hardware, using galvanized bolts which is only surface coated if you intend on boating in salt water especially. Remember the quality should go in before the name goes on, IMO. The practice will extend to your bigger products when you will learn the hardway and family and friends will also love you when you pass along the hulls. my pennies worth and you can keep the change.

I have a pocket full of change. But, not that much in my wallet. But, no matter what! Don't "save" money on something you don't want to fix later. A lot of my work in life is fixing thinks that somebody "saved" money on.

Bill

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Mini -Tug, KH Tahoe 19 & Bartender 24 - There can be no miracle recoveries without first screwing up.
Tahoe 19 Build

Hey now, I didn't buy galvanized bolts to be cheap: they're specified in the plans - take it up with Glen!

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Photos of my Squirt build
El Toro I built with my Dad

Yes sometimes I jump in boiling water without reservation, and I have also used them. But in this topic both types were being discussed which led me to believe that you had considered bronze but the costs were the issue. So I took your side of the issue here thinking that you could go either way if pressed with some positive reasons.
But also along those lines, folks build these boats from across the globe even in this country too, and really building a boat to get on the water as a learning curve and plan on moving on to another more sophisticated builds. So its easy in many cases to run down to the local gizmo corner and buy off the shelf.

There was a time that bronze was standard fare in the better hardware stores along the water's edge sinc that was the hardware of choice for all the production wooden hulls and they were used in the repairs over time.