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The only frame left to complete is number 5. Should be done this weekend, and I will then be able to actually start putting the form together.

FYI, If anyone wonders whether or not to buy the frame kit....I will say that decision is up to you....with that being said, I am over 1 year into this project and have just finished the frames. However, looking over my building logs I have only done probably 40-50 hours of actual work on the boat. Also, I work REALLY slow.

New pics to be posted by next week. I PROMISE

Robert

Robert, sounds good. Just remember, this is a labor of love and joy. Do what ya can at the times ya have. It's that, "ONE DAY" at a time, thing(or minutes ).

Looking forward to your posting of the pictures.

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I have posted a some new picturess of the frame construction to my photo building log. All the frames are now complete. The next step will be completing the transom (all parts already cut-out) and the centerboard trunk so frame #3 can be secured to it. I may begin the building form next as I already have all the lumber for it.

Robert

I wanted to share something with you guys, in hopes that no one else will ever make this same mistake. Lesson learned: Do not work in a hurry, nor when tired from work. Here is an excerpt from my builder's log for yesterday:

04/12/2006

MAJOR DISASTER AVERTED!!!! Today, I had my first major mistake in the construction of “Sweet Pea.” I have had to re-cut a couple of frame members already, but tonight I almost ruined an expensive piece of plywood and about 6 frame members. Here is the story: I began assembling the transom tonight after getting home from work. I did not have class tonight and Amy was out with her mom shopping, so I thought I would put the transom together. I first had to trim about ¼” off the plywood transom side and bottom because I cut them oversized. (I used the wrong line on the pattern.) Then I began mixing the epoxy to attach the side frames and bottom, inner frame. Amy came home, and started taking pictures of the construction at around 7:30. (I will post the pictures to the site where I am sure you will be able to see what is wrong). I continued working on the transom and attached four of the six transom frame members. Then it hit me that something looked very wrong. Oh, S-BOMB! I realized I had attached the frames to the wrong side of the transom. I quickly began unscrewing the frames from the transom. Then I removed the screws from the frames. After collecting myself for about 15 minutes wondering how I allowed this to happen; I then began to realize what I had done. When tracing the frame and perimeter to the transom, I had transferred the frame lines to the wrong side. I cut the transom bevels properly as the pattern shows the dimension to the outside of the transom and is beveled 23 degrees on the bottom and 13 degrees on the sides. However, I should have flipped the transom over before attaching the frames. Regardless, I did go ahead and attach the frames to the correct side last night. In my frustrated state, they are not lined up perfectly, and I believe I have created more work for myself. This was the first time working on the boat I got really frustrated. I know now I should have put down the work and grabbed a cold one. Regardless. I will need to fill in some gaps in the frame junctions with thickened epoxy. All I keep saying is “It is only a boat.”

Robert,

See my tag line below!

I'll bet everyone of us have screwed up a time or two! It is part of it.

BTW: Keep working with your daughter. A 90 year old friend of mine, and my entire family, has a favorite memory. When she was a little girl, she and her dad built a cabin over looking the valley on Lookout Mountain at Mentone, Alabama. Mildred still owns that cabin.

You're making a life long memory.

Sit down, have a beer, and look at your boat taking shape!

Bill

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Glad ta hear ya cought it before it was to late Robert. I have a T-shirt that I wear often, it spells out, DON'T TALK TO ME WHEN I'M TALKING TO MYSELF. It fits me well. When it wears-out, I'll have another printed up. Your not alone when it comes to: What the Hell was I thinking !!
More importantly, is the fact that you took action and saved the piece of works. As many of us have been there, and we for sure will be there again.
As Bill says, have a beer. And, I say, have another and smile, forge on, your doing great!

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Robert,

Thanks for sharing that with us. Those of us who plan on building a transom will benefit from your lesson.

Would it work to screw and glue the transome and then cut the bevels? It is probably the most difficult piece to figure out from the plans and its size and weight probably makes it one of the most difficult pieces to work with.

On my model, I just assembled it fully, then cut (rather, I just sanded it) the bevel as called for. I am thinking that if the bevels were set up on a tablesaw, they would be easy enough to cut after assembly. You having put one together, I am very interested in your thoughts.

-gg

Godwin,

I am sorry I never got back with you. Yes, I believe now it would be easier to cut oversize and bevel after the frames are assembled. I say this because in my haste I had to cut more of one frame away than the other. One side-frame is now 3" average width and 2 5/8" on the other side now. I do not believe it will cause a problem, but it does look funny. I would suggest someone to attach the frames and then cut the bevel once the transom is assembled. It would also make assemble of the transom and frames easier.

As far as progress goes, I am working on the building form. It takes me about 15 minutes per screw to attach the form to the floor. I have 6 screws in now, and will not be using any more. I am going to put the form together with Amy this weekend. I took my Finance final last night (reason I have not been posting for the last 2 weeks). I hope to update the website this weekend too.

Robert

Robert, looking forward to your up-date (pictures ). Sorry ta hear it's taking time with the screws. BUT, to look at the bright side, at least ya know ya got a Rock-Solid floor

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Here is another quick question for the experts....

I am working on my building form, and have a question about how to set up the transom form, leg supports. The form currently has two sets of leg uprights (I will try and post pics tonight), and the longitudinal stringers running fore and aft. The third set of leg supports is supposed to be at a 12 degree angle. It says this is 2.5" in 12". I currently have the stringers aligned and attached to the "front" two sets of vertical legs and they are level both directions.

However, I am having a lot of trouble figuring out how to get the 12 degree angle on the back legs of the form. The transom temporarily attaches directly to these legs. Can someone lay out how they got the angle correnct on these set up members?

Thanks,
Robert

Well, here is how I did mine. I first made sure the HORIZONALS were LEVEL, and the VERTICALS PLUMB. Then I took a MAGNETIC protractor that I had purchased at Sears, and with such moved the TRANSOM form legs out to the 12-1/2 degree mark. Of course the MAGNETIC portion of the protractor wasn't used, but could be if you took a piece of steel to determine the angle. I would not worry about the 1/2 degree, as if it is 12 or 13 who cares???? You can also just measure straight down from the HORIZONALS 12" and out 2-1/2" to accomplish the same.

Not a big deal, and I trust I have been of some help.

Dale
Indy

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Dale,

Thanks for the advice. I did basically what you said. I printed a paper copy of a protractor off the web, and used it to set a bevel gauge to 12 degrees. Then I aligned the rear legs for the form with the gauge. I double checked this measurement with the 2.5 inches over 12 as mentioned on the plans. Thank you for the help.

I have posted new pictures to my photo site with pics of my transom debacle. I have also posted completed pics of the building form. More pics than needed actually, but I did not think anyone would complain.

Robert

Looking real'ly good Robert. Nice job on that form build. Bet-ya were glad to see that last "blue screw" go in. Wont ta thankya for shairing your build with us, especially with the photo's. (Can't have to many, ya know. )

It's great ta see the whole family involved. Bet Mack was pushing ta set those frames. "But Dad,"


About that scrap pile.............

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Yes it is nice to see the progress coming along. It is always helpful to have something tangible to show for your work. I did end up burning up one masonry bit, and had to buy a second to cut the final 2 Tapcon scews. The form feels very secure, and it appears that I will be able to start hanging frames soon. I will keep you updated with pics as it progresses.

Robert

Yeh, I was going to ask ya about that (the bit). I've watched guys drilling without the use of a hammer drill and offerd them the use of mine (SDS style). I've kept one (sold the others), from a past venture. Don't use it much these days but, when in need......

Anyway, done and over, got your form up and looking good. Thanks for the update and pic's. Looking foreword to seeing the frames installed (hanging).

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