Michael's ZIP

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by BarnacleMike » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:23 am

In the spirit of Art's Squirt with the paint & bright finish...

If you combine the retro "swish" design from the photo with the color scheme from the Doug Hodder Zip, it might look something like this.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by Evan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:01 am

That is a nice look.

Are you doing a storage area in place of the second seating row or does it just open up?

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by BarnacleMike » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:54 am

Evan wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:01 am
That is a nice look.

Are you doing a storage area in place of the second seating row or does it just open up?
I haven't really decided yet. There are things I like about both options (hatch vs rear cockpit). I have pretty much come to view the Zip as a 2-person boat with a back seat... the back seat being mainly cosmetic. I do like the look of the 2 cockpits, as it emphasizes the elongated foredeck. On the other hand, if I have little or no intention of using the rear cockpit, it seems simpler to me to just deck it over and add a hatch.

And, back to the point of work / maintenance... a rear cockpit would also mean less deck planking to have to varnish.

Either way, my plan is to put the battery underneath the bridge deck area, and the gas tank under the foredeck.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by Bill Edmundson » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:11 am

Michael

Why not a drop in cover for the rear cockpit? Then you can have both.

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by BarnacleMike » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:57 am

Bill Edmundson wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:11 am
Michael

Why not a drop in cover for the rear cockpit? Then you can have both.

Bill
That really is a good idea, Bill. A fabric snap-on cover like Roberta's Zip would save on some weight. I could finish out the rear cockpit as minimally as I dared... perhaps use it for a seat if/when I really had to. A rear cockpit area would also give much better access to drain plugs, bilge pump, etc than a hatch would. Makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by JimmY » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:30 am

Or set up the rear hatch like a "rumble seat." Flip up with the seat back on it.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by BarnacleMike » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:20 pm

JimmY wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:30 am
Or set up the rear hatch like a "rumble seat." Flip up with the seat back on it.
That would be pretty cool!
-Michael

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by mrintense » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:09 am

It'll be interesting either way. I love the way that we can think through different ideas like this when building our boats. :D :D
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by Bill Edmundson » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:41 am

I thought of the drop-in cover, on the Tahoe, after it was too late. I like the two cockpit look. It would be easier to work on as a utility. You would need to plan your hose and wiring around the utility layout. Remove the engine box and make a drop-in bridge over the engine. Both worlds.

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by BillW » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:28 pm

One thing to keep in mind when building the motorwell, or rear deck :

If it ever becomes necessary to rope-start the outboard, you might appreciate having a place to stand, while planting one foot
on the transom top next to the motor, or on the boat bottom near the transom.

On the boats that we built, I mocked up that area with cardboard, to see if pull-starting would be easy.

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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by gdcarpenter » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:00 pm

Hi Michael,

Never got around to it on my ZIP, but always wanted to add a hatch over the rear seat. It was to be hinged and removable. Back when we still owned the lake access only camp figured a covered rear seat would keep stuff dry if the water was rough. Planned for it to match the existing decking so it kinda looked like single cockpit 'Gentleman's Racer' when closed. Would like to live vicariously through you since my ZIP is gone :).
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by Andy Garrett » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:40 pm

Things to consider:

A hatch cover would likely need to be curved to match the deck contours--tricky.

If you know you will be using it as a two person boat, consider driving from the back seat (like the very closely related Flying Saucer). You could still rope start, still build a hatch, cover, or rumble-seat as suggested and really emphasize that elongated deck you mentioned. A gentleman's racer if you will.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by BarnacleMike » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:15 am

Andy Garrett wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:40 pm

If you know you will be using it as a two person boat, consider driving from the back seat (like the very closely related Flying Saucer). You could still rope start, still build a hatch, cover, or rumble-seat as suggested and really emphasize that elongated deck you mentioned. A gentleman's racer if you will.
Andy,

I have actually given that some consideration. I was really intrigued by the Gentleman's Racer Zip that Carmine was building. Unfortunately, I haven't seen much of his project here on the forum in a couple of years. I was really looking forward to seeing how it turned out.

I haven't ruled out the "Gentleman's Racer" option, but at this point I'm relatively committed to driving from the front, due to the way I built frame #4. My dashboard is set at a 10 degree angle, and is integral with the rest of the frame. I could cut it out and reposition it if I really wanted to, though...

In any case, I revisited my pictures of Art Atkinson's Zip. I really like the interplay of the painted colors and the brightwork on his boat, and I can appreciate that technique for masking the butt joint in the plywood.

Judging from photos of the Irish Rose and First Born Zips, it looks like the butt joint seam usually falls near the front of the forward cockpit. If you adapt the Work of Art paint job to the purpose of masking that joint, it might look something like this...
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by JimmY » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:25 am

I like.
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Re: Michael's ZIP

Post by Bill Edmundson » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:52 am

Michael

I like the paint hiding the seam.

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