Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

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Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by hockaday » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:27 am

Does anyone know how I can tell if the boat my father made back in the 60's is a Zip or is it a Flying Saucer. The boat is 12 ft long and 69 inches wide.
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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by Roberta » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:58 am

Welcome to the Forum!

Based on the dimensions it is likely a Flying Saucer. The Zip is just over 14 feet in length. If the hull is sound, it would be a fun project to refinish and have fun with.

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Built Zip "Oliver IV", Super Spartan "Jimmy 70", and Torpedo "The Glen L".

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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by hockaday » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:31 am

The boat has only been in the water 4 or 5 times since it was built. Last time was in 1976. It has been in storage ever since. I would love to sand it all down and do the top in mahogany like I am seeing so many on this site have done.

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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by Roberta » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:38 am

Bang around a bit nd make sure there are no punky spots indicating rot, secure all the fasteners and decking, sand smooth and finish with your choice of veneers. There are many builds described in the forum to help in how things are done and ask away. Here is how I did my Zip. The Flying Saucer can be similarly finished.

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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by BillW » Mon Jan 21, 2019 11:17 am

That boat is an Ace. The plans for it were published in Science and Mechanics magazine in 1956; you can see the whole Ace story at www.sandeace.com It would be nice if you can send your photos and all info to Ed Waali; his e-mail is at the top of the website. He likes to compile info on all Aces known to exist; there are not very many of them. I think he will post your photos in the "Original Ace" section of his site.

These photos are of our homebuilt Ace that we completed a couple years ago. Yes, there were both homebuilts and production Aces; as you will see on the website. This one was modified somewhat including being stretched to the length of the factory ones.

We must apologize to Gayle for having built a non-Glen L boat...........We did get supplies from Glen L, tho...

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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by vupilot » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:25 pm

Nice boats! Both of you. I was going to say it didnt look like a Glen-L really. Glad Bill was able to ID it. I would definitely inspect carefully, clean it up and paint it and enjoy it again.

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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by SandeAce » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:11 pm

It sure looks like a neat Ace to me. This was a William D. Jackson design in a 1956 issue of the Boat Builders' Handbook which was published by Science and Mechanics. The Sande Boat Works (and BillW) lengthened Jackson's 12-footer to 13 feet. The original plans had those 3 transom braces.

The slightly up-turned bow in Hockaday's boat says "original Ace plans" to me. The Sandes changed that to a more bullet shape.

The deciding factor for me would the chines. Jackson and the Sandes used beveled chines which show up in the transom. The following photo shows Jacksons' transom (top) and the Sande transom (bottom).

Nice boat!! Do you have a photo of the transom?
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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by hockaday » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:55 pm

Wow, great information guys, have never even heard of an Ace. I know my dad always said he got it out of a magazine line Popular Mechanics. I will add I few more pictures that I have of the boat and will take some more tomorrow. Thanks for all of the help.
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. Also I see where it looks like my dad put in a dash in the back section but must have decided to move the wheel to the front for some reason.
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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by SandeAce » Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:29 pm

Hockaday,

Moving the steering to the front lessened the porpoising (a problem with the 12-foot Ace when not at WOT) but it also slowed the boat down. That dip in the rear "dashboard" was also in the original plans.

I've bought copies of the magazine on EBay. Look for this cover. See that "racing runabout?"

Thanks to BillW for letting me know about your inquiries.

Good luck at getting your father's boat back on the water!

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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by hockaday » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:35 pm

Here is a picture of the transom. I'm sure it is an ACE now.
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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by BillW » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:33 pm

Yes, the Ace design is unique in quite a few respects. Once a person is familiar with that boat, you can spot another one a mile away.
Except there aren't many of them.

I did not know about the Ace either, until 7 or 8 years ago when I came across Ed's website. I had been thinking about building another
small boat, and decided on the Ace because it had a lot of local history here, back in the day.

By the way, the beveled chines, know as a "non trip chine" allows the back of the boat to slide sideways, in a sharp fast turn, without
catching the edge. I think at least a couple of Glen l boats also have that feature.

Keep us posted as you fix up that boat. And as Roberta said, above, probe it well looking for soft wood or loose joints.
Anything can be fixed.

Bill

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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by gster » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:57 pm

Nice looking project.
Looks like you've got a set of
Johnson controls (circa 1955)
which might help you date the
boat.
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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by hockaday » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:43 pm

Thanks everyone for your help. I watched my dad building the boat in 1968 but I'm sure the plans came from the 1956 Boat Builders Handbook. The boat looks a little ratty because it was neglected for over 40 years but it is in perfect shape and has never sat outside. I would not be afraid to put it in the lake tomorrow but I have bigger plans. I hope to sand or strip it down and put a veneer or wood strips on the boat like many of the boats on this site. I'm sure it will be quite a bit of work but the main job of building the boat is done. I'm sure that was my father's dream for the boat when he started it but life got in the way.

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Re: Is this a Zip or is is a Flying Saucer

Post by gster » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:38 pm

Looks like a fun project with a legacy.
Keep posting w/ photos as you make
progress.

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