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Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:25 pm
by Gayle Brantuk
So beautiful, Carl! She's really taking shape.

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:27 pm
by mrintense
Thanks Gayle, Lee, Jamie, Jim, Sarnian (can you let us know your first name?). It's very nice getting approval from others. The shape of the cabin sides has been a concern for me for at least four years.

Got the remaining bungs sanded down today after work. I am going to start on the forward section next. I think that I want to have the flush mounted opening windows on the front as well so it will take a bit of time to figure all of this out.

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:50 pm
by joshuab
Looking good Carl!

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:49 am
by mrintense
Thanks Josh

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:44 pm
by bstrong
Very nice Carl, she is going to be beautiful

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:01 pm
by mrintense
Thanks bstrong (Bob, Bill ?)


Tonight I spent some time in the thinking chair and placed wood into position on the boat trying to get some idea how I am going to make the forward cabin faces. This is just preliminary work to help me think through and visualize the structure. One thing I've already learned already is that I need to pull the center piece a bit further aft to allow for the deck hatch cover that will eventually be installed.

But what I was really after was trying to see if the idea I had already come up with for the window frame structure was going to work and how it would look. There's a lot of tricky angles and considerations here, such as how the pieces tie into the deck, how they will attach to the cabin sides and the angle of the center post.Much more of course, but that's the purpose of this initial exercise.

Anyway, here's a picture of what I did. What's neat about this photo is that you can get a good sense of how it will look later.

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Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:29 am
by neel thompson
Lookin good Carl. This is the fun part of the build and the part where the "chair" gets a real workout !! You have to be excited to see the lines of the boat all coming together.

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:41 am
by TomB
The curve of the roof meeting the center post and the top window framing, Yikes. Tom

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:19 am
by mrintense
TomB wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:41 am
The curve of the roof meeting the center post and the top window framing, Yikes. Tom
Yeah, that's my concern as well. I am not sure it will be this way or if I need to lower that top edge some and then blend in the roof line with a curved forward piece that spans the entire width of the forward face. I am going to play around with this for awhile before committing to anything.

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:59 am
by Jimbob
Hi Carl,
Here's some pics that might give you some ideas on the roof lines.
Jim

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:28 am
by mrintense
Thanks for posting these pictures Jim. The third one does look amazingly like mine. What I am wondering about is what the structure underneath looks like at the transition from the roof to the forward faces. It curves down from the roof line to the forward faces which could be accomplished either with a shaped piece of lumber or perhaps a cold molded section over some curved structure.

Consider that the roof itself will be two sheets of plywood (joined along the centerline) over the cambered roof beams in addition to curving for and aft to match the cabin sides. I believe by joining two sheets along the centerline, I can avoid most of the double compound curve effect of a single sheet, but there is no getting around that I will be going from that double curve to a straight line at the top of the window frames.

Looking more closely at the third picture, I wonder if by extending the top of the window frame up higher and tying it into a thick piece of lumber (which could be shaped to a curve) that perhaps that thick piece of lumber could also be shaped to match the camber of the roof line.

Hope this is making sense.

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:37 am
by Bill Edmundson
Carl

On the Bartender I put the roof plywood perpendicular to the centerline. That way I didn't have to deal with a potential ridgeline. It gave a nice smooth curve.

Bill

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:46 am
by mrintense
Bill Edmundson wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:37 am
Carl

On the Bartender I put the roof plywood perpendicular to the centerline. That way I didn't have to deal with a potential ridge line. It gave a nice smooth curve.

Bill
I am concerned about this ridge line also and was considering rabbeting the plywood into a center piece to make the transition smoother. Also, I have to check but I believe I am supposed to use 1/4" plywood for the roof.

On my boat, a single sheet will not be wide enough to cover the entire cabin unless I joint two sheets together with a scarf joint. It's pretty close to 6 foot from port roof line to starboard roof line. Did you scarf join your roof sheets?

An alternative to all of this which I am not really keen on doing is to cold mold the entire roof piece, however that would probably make for a strong roof and would have the smoothest curves.

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:59 am
by Bill Edmundson
Carl

I did a butt joint. I have 2 roof beams running long ways. I arched the ply over them. I did a centerline piece from 3 pieces of ply, that left a wire chase on the roof for overhead lights.

Here are some pictures of what I did with the cabin front panels. Sorry I can't find a picture of the frame. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12277&start=375

Bill

Re: Building The Vera Cruise

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:28 pm
by Jimbob
Carl,
Here's another pic showing some of the frame work.
Jim